PovK1

Does anyone know how much power the evo 9 can make tuned on its standard turbo?

turbulance

around 400 bhp

john banks

About 500 BHP with a high compression aluminium rod motor running E85 and all the bolt ons with huge boost.

But realistically with a remap, fuel pump, airbox mod and exhaust (the number of exhaust parts depend on the model you start with), 400 BHP on even conservative dynos, more on optimistic ones.

PovK1

Thanks for that info. Looking to get a car quicker than the cupra for purely trackdays and strip duty.

Right now my cupra with 312bhp is slightly quicker than a fq340 once rolling. The cupra will be 360hp shortly, and once I have done the quiffe diff also will be wanting to start on a new project. So I want something that will be considerably faster than a 360hp cupra so think I want a 500hp evo.

Planning on getting a evo 8 or 9, stripping it out making it a 2 seater only,and want to run atleast 500hp. For the duties it will be performaning it needs to be a bulletproof and reliable 500hp on standard v power. Any idea how much this would cost me or should I really be joining MLR for that info?

V5RLTD

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I would join the mlr, great bunch on there. There are always some top notch evo's for sale on there aswell, modded and standard. You could probably buy a 500bhp 8 for £17000 ish, cost you a darn sight more to mod yourself

jaytc2003

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i have recently got an evo and to be honest I think they are cheaper to mod than scoobs (having owned both) I have an 8 that is running just shy of 400 (probably an optimistic rolling road) that is with a std 8 turbo (it runs hks 272 cams though, boost controller and a tephra rom on the std ecu running 1.65 bar peak and holding 1.5)

join the mlr though as there is lots of advice given there (sometimes slow to get responses though as it isnt as active a snet)

john banks

I would skip 500 BHP and go straight to 550 BHP which needs the following beyond the 400 BHP recipe:

GT35R kit with induction/manifold/wastegate/intercooler
1000cc Injectors and twin fuel pumps
Conrod replacement (can be done engine in situ, everything else in the engine is good to 550 BHP)
Twin plate clutch

Some people prefer to use a GT or RS as they have stronger diffs and stronger 5 speed gearbox (but this can be a little short geared, offset this by revving to 9000 as your turbo won't spool until 5000+). You will also need uprated brakes, some very good rubber and probably some better suspension to make it safe and balanced.

Even at 400 BHP you'll probably find the Evo is competitive as below 100mph it will get traction where the Cupra struggles, and above 100mph the extra power will probably offset the AWD drag losses (which are overstated on chassis dynos), weight and aerodynamics.

You could buy one already done, but you're about to enter money pit zone.

I resisted throwing tens of thousands at my Evo and instead just ran it at 400 BHP, then when I wanted more refinement and to go faster still got a GTR.

RRH

I ran a 565bhp Evo7 for a while. great on track, ****e on the road- but that was probably been down to the builders suggested spec (before I bought it).

As mentioned above, check out the MLR. Read lots, and be careful whose advice you take seriously. Same as on here, there are some gems amongst the dross- but you need to look carefully to find them... ^^ JB, above, knows his stuff

PovK1

tens of thousands to get to 550hp? Was hoping maybe 6-7k all in for the mods. Maybe im better off buying a b7 rs4, stripping that out and slapping on a charger to that?

PovK1

Was it reliable?

RRH

Yep, but over £100k had gone in to the build. It can be done for less- I got a bargain when I bought it, but it was absolutely horrible to drive due to the stupidly massive turbo

PovK1

Damn. I want to buy a evo for about 12k, and then spend about 7k on mods to bump the power up.

If it is that expensive to get bigish power from the evo I might aswell just buy a GTR or a 2nd hand gallardo.

RRH

For 19k you'll get the benefit of someone else's build for what you want to spend, and get change. Have a look on www.pistonheads.com.

In terms of raw speed it would be similar to a GTR, but if you have the means then I'd buy the GTR in the first place- or a Gallardo.

If I were you, I'd buy a manual 360- real cheap at the moment.

john banks

£7k on mods would do proper brakes, wheels, tyres and suspension.

In terms of just the engine, I have tuned an Evo 9 to 500 BHP on stock internals with a bolt on turbo.

As always choose 2 out of 3 of fast, reliable and cheap.

RRH

Cracking analogy

john banks

I wouldn't supercharge a B7 RS4, with that budget a used 911 Turbo or GTR would be better buys, both tuning to mid 500s BHP quite easily.

If you want a combination of handling, traction, fun, reliability for little money an Evo 9 with 400 BHP is hard to beat. It makes mincemeat of many other cars with similar power to weight ratios in real world conditions because it isn't a one trick pony in terms of just being accelerative like say high powered tuned FWD VAGs. If you want to go fast in a straight line and continue to be frustrated by 2WD traction on road tyres, Supra is probably your best bet. That probably is the exception that can do fast, reliable and relatively cheap if you buy a good one. Another option simply to have a lot of power is something like a VXR8 with a supercharger. But even with AWD and good rubber, 550 BHP has traction issues.

It really is worth starting with a good base car rather than one doesn't have much power or good traction/handling/suspension/brakes/forced induction to start with.

stevebt

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You want to spend £19k on and evo with over 500?? but if you can't get one you will just buy a gallardo instead ??? Can I have the link to where you can buy these cheap gallardos as I aint seen one for even double that price?

PovK1

Spunk stupid amounts of money away tuning things. As soon as you uprate one bit another weak link reveals itself that needs uprating, meaning your forever chasing your tail.

might aswell spend 60k on a gallardo, not modify it, and have a car that will hold its value and look good for years to come.

john banks

There is a lot to be said for it. Just buy something without turbos or just do basic tuning without going silly.

wrx287

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Here's a couple ready built DCY EUROPE Japanese Import Specialists : DCY EVO 7RS 800bhp timeattack car 100k build
MCR Specialist Cars : Evo VIII Track Car, White, Huge Spec, 500+ BHP
Mitsubishi : 2001 Evo 7 2.3 stroker
West Sussex Specialist Cars : Evo V111 Cosworth 640 BHP

Save the 10's of thousands on building one

jaytc2003

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it need'nt cost the earth. I got my 8 for 11k with 21thou miles and most svs history, and as mentioned before thats running just shy of 400. It has uprated brakes and suspension as well as the increase in boost etc. For 7-8k modifiying it further use 1k for uprated rods fitted (norris design do a conversion) that leaves 6 - 7k to play with, upgrade the brakes (they are actually decent as standard though) say 1.5k, suspension say 1.5k and get a bigger turbo. Then get yourself a boost controller (about £400) and a remap and bigger injectors. Can be done easy for less than 19k

PovK1

Im frightned though that there might be something wrong with these alread tuned examples, or that maybe the build was skimped on. Power is nothing without reliability in my game.

SPEN555

For one your interested in take it to an Evo Specialist and get them to give it an inspection to see all is well? Might cost a couple of hundred quid? But worth the money for piece of mind.

PovK1

Totally agree there.

Racking my brain on what to get next. I just want something stupid quick and reliable.

Evo
Lotus Exige maybe?
VXR8 stripped out?

SPEN555

Well in my scoob I can say that when I have been on track the speed with which a Lotus Exige can go round bends vs a road going saloon car is hilarious. I can remember seeing on coming up on me in my rear view mirror and my car was starting to slide so there was no way I could go any quicker round the bend.

If I was going for a track based car I would be more inclined to much lighter cars i.e. not Scoobs, Evos, VXR8's.