jaytc2003

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as per title looking to get a decent powered car again (something thats got more poke than my current cougar v6)

Thinking about one of the above, had a basic wrx previously that I loved but due to a new baby and impending redundancy I went sensible and sold up. The wrx was modded slightly with powerfc and supporting mods.

What would be the pros and cons of the above 2 cars, I know this is a scooby forum but please be sensible in any responses.
Anyone owned both marques at any time?, what was your preference? why?

Cheers

RobEvo5

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Type R Pros:
Fairly exslusive
Goes like stink
Good knwledge base
Cheaper than EVO to keep on road.
Fairly forgiiving ride

Cons:
Only 2 doors so not that practical.
Short gearing which has driven me nuts in the past.
Is just a nother scoob that blends into all the others on the roads even with 2 door.
Not that cost affective to tune.

Evo Pros:
Goes like stink
Easier to extract more power with less outlay.
Not that many on the road, and tend to make my head turn more than a scoob these days.
Handles like no other car I have ever experienced. Driven on the edge its amazing.
Nicer interior but that IMO.
Sensible gearing
Better looking IMO even with its p

Evo cons:
AYC fluid change by only main dealer or specialist.
Harsh ride and very firm.
Lets second hand parts about if you ever need them.
Arguably less knowledge base on them.


Both very nice cars, but think it more a case of your either a subary person or an EVO person. I would personally take a Evo6 over a type R. But both nice cars

EddScott

As much as I really do fancy an Evo and I think they probably are the better car they just don't do it for me like a classic Impreza does. The noise, the design, the frameless windows - I just think they look and sound much better.

I would also say with a type R you are paying 2 door tax of what £1500+?

My RA doesn't have DCCD but is just as quick as an STI or Type R but also has 4 doors which is handy for the little one. And even cheaper again to keep as insurance class them as WRX so that saves £200+ a year alone.

john banks

Engines break too frequently on the STI V. AYC fails too frequently on the Evo V. Otherwise it is whichever one you prefer to drive or modify.

On an Evo V if you change the conrods (can be done without removing the engine) you can fit a turbo and fuel system to safely run 550 BHP if that takes your fancy. You can fit an RS rear diff or AYC diff from a later model for extra strength. At every power level the Evo is cheaper to modify and arguably more reliable. The AYC doesn't need to be ruinous to service with the right people to do it.

Both cars are very cheap to run relative to the performance they give, but much more expensive to run than a Cougar, even a V6.

jaytc2003

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Cheers guys just been checking whats available, and evo 7 are also in the equation (upto about 8k to spend)

I know I could get a newer scoob for that kind of money though but I do prefer the classic.

Just researching the evo's this morning as I was worried about the service intervals (4.5k miles) but this is basically just the fluid changes, and the ayc can be done diy, although it can be tricky to get air out of the system, and as I am fairly competent I dont think I will experience too many troubles.

From reading I know the evo is probably the stronger engine as standard, and is cheaper to fix if something goes wrong and easier to work on, and there are also less on the road than scoobs (prices arent cheap yet like older classics so less pre pubescent kids driving them)

Suppose its a case of test driving a few and seeing which I prefer (evo 6 has always been my dream car even before I got the scoob)

I love the noise a decent scoob makes which I wouldnt get with the evo, not too bothered about the type r being 2 door either as my cougar is 2 door and my calibra before that was 2 door, mrs will have a 5dr anyway

Will do a quick check on the insurance (manchester postcode so not the cheapest! )

RobEvo5

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If you can stretch to an Evo7 it would be my choice. The interiors have much newer car solid feel to them, and just a remap gets you a comfortable to 360bhp. It takes a fair bit to get a scoob to 360bhp. All the bolt on bits and servicing bits are easy to get to on an Evo as well. Turbo is staring you in the face and the spark plugs on top etc.

But then I have to say if your pushing around 8K for a 2001 Evo7. I would sooner push the boat just that little further and get a STI8 UK or better still JDM. Nicer interior, nicer to live with, solid and remaps to 333/333 out the box or 350/350 with the JDM

Or a complete curve ball have you considered an Audi B5 S4. remaps to 330bhp/360ftlb, very solid well screwed together car and a little different and less in your face. But engine bay is scary.

Running a S4 with a 430bhp and 450ftlb myself, and not only is it by a mile the fastest car I have ever had, its a superb all round package.

jaytc2003

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Rob, would you say the sti v8 is a better choice then than the evo (7) ??? (V8 is that about 2003? )

My concerns with a scoob are if anything goes wrong engine wise then it is basically an engine out job, which is a hoist job, whereas with the evo it can be stripped in situ.

Im not even going to look at the Audi, ive seen an engine bay once on a tv program, wouldnt even know where to start

<----rushes off to have a look

RobEvo5

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TBH Its a bit negative to think the engine might/will go bang. Its very unlikely, so long as whatever your buy is serviced up and if tuned its mapped correctly by someone who knows what they are doing. I'm guessing but probably 9/10 engine failures are because or preventative maintenance failure i.e MAF etc or a bad map (detonation).

Engine out really isn't that scary anyhow, and TBH if I was looking to strip / build an engine I would do it on the deck and out the engine anyhow, even if it were possible to due it in situ.

I have owned an evo7 and a STI8, and as a daily drive car would defo choose the STI8 which like you say is a 2003 car. And does look and feel that much younger when you put the 2 back to back.

Also If your thinking along the lines of ever blowing an engine, you always have the option of 2.5ltr bottom end from the later STI's, which is a very common and relatively cheap modification and has significant gains in the torques and makes for a really nice daily driver.

But If your totally driven by power and power alone and on a limited budget, then it would always have to be an EVO. But for value for money and a pleasant, quick enough daily driver I would personally choose the STI8.

RobEvo5

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The Insurance between an Import EVO7 v's STI8 is likely to be a fair bit different as well with the Mitsi Evo being horrid on insurance when I had mine..

RobEvo5

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No what you mean about Audi Engine bay:
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Cyberevo

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I've had both, the EVO and Sti have very different types of power delivery, imo the scooby felt quicker but the EVO's power was very linear and felt a little slower up to 40 but the evo pulled harder and longer above that.

Both great cars, wouldn't go for a 7 or 8, 6 or 9 for me...

jaytc2003

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nightmare

tv prog I saw, they had to remove the front end of the car (lke the pics) to get to the waterpump I think it was. thought scoobs were bad engine wise

jaytc2003

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I like the makkinen edition, but bit over budget For my budget I can get scoobs upto 2005 (wrx models) but I think if I go for a scoob its gonna be an sti

mozzaITA

I owned type r for 2 years was fortunate enough not to have to use it daily as had other cars, it would drive you mad to use daily, ride was harsh and gearing terrible. I had to be in the mood to drive it!

Saying that car was reliable, fast and fun - glad to have owned and survived the impreza experiance.

I do miss my car and i would say to go for it!

Dave Thornton

I owned a classic STI v3 for 7 years and currently have an Evo 8 FQ300. I would personally discount a type R for the gearing if I had to use it on the motorway/long journeys. Build quality is slightly better on the Evo. Fuel is 1 mpg worse. Gets through tyres quicker too.

For me, the biggest downside to the Evo is the bone hard ride, loud exhaust so you can't hear the radio and pathetic turning circle. But the hard ride is part of having the go-kart handling, the loud exhaust is part of the whole Evo experience and the poor turning circle is part of the best steering feel I have ever experienced.

The STI would no doubt be a little easier to live with (like putting on an old pair of shoes) but owning a very special, rare, numbered limited edition, head-turning, depreciation resistant, future classic like an Evo is an opportunity not to miss. Even after 2 years, every journey feels special. On your budget, go for a good Evo 6.

.:mike:.

If you're fussed about insurance costs I'd check regarding a 2 door impreza as I've heard that they're fairly pricey things to insure, and a manchester postcode cant help things! Must admit that I'd really like a TME evo, but both cars have got to be fantastic machines if you buy a good one

Fangoria

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I was faced with the same decision 10 years ago ;-) :-)

I went for the 4 door sti5 due to the practicality, I like the look of the 4 door more as well and the gear ratio's were terrible on the Type R's
I drove an Evo6 and thought, what a dull car, terrible interior, couldnt here the Turbo at all, very hard hard ride, but just plain boring

So I bought an STI5 4 Door and still have it...........

jaytc2003

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jaytc2003

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think I will look at later sti (2002 / 2003) as they are in budget. I do a lot of motorway miles so it sounds like the type r would irrate the life out of me (although the 2 door classic is the best shape imo )

banny sti

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If you go for a newage you will better off with a UK car as it has longer 5th and 6th, as the gearing on a JDM car is very similar to a type r. 6th gear 70mph is around 3200rpm on a jdm box.

Banny

Fangoria

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Classics are the best
The newer ones..... and I had a 2004 wrx are:

Heavier
Look awful
WRX had terrible gear ratio's even an ecutek couldnt sort
STI's on the newerage have really badly hard uncomfortable seats

Only problem with the older cars are that they are accessible to many and I see tonnes of Thugs driving them
Glad I only take mine to track days mostly as the image is not a good one these days, unfortunately....... I need to buy myself a Staffordshire Bull Terrier to blend in.. (er no I'm not serious - I'd need a labotomy first)

Anger

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God im now a thug as i have a classic and a Staffordshire bull terrier

jaytc2003

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seen an evo 6 gsr that I like so I am going to view it

Fangoria

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Anger
I rest my case, I forgot the baseball cap, obligatory smoking and reqularly frequents McDonalds ;-)

mozzaITA

you forgot screaming girlfriend in toe with scrapped back greasey hair

jaytc2003

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decided to up my budget and I have now put a deposit down on a nice low mileage evo 8 with approx 399.5bhp

Although the 6 was my prefered shape for the evo, finding a good example with decent mileage and in decent condition was proving to be a difficult task. Should pick it up within the week

M0NEY

Enjoy!

Have to say I had my scooby which was 440bhp and 470lbsft and enjoyed for 7 years. Bought an evo 6 this week. Running low boost at the moment at 400bhp. The scooby noise was much better, but the handling is so much better on the evo.

Agree on conditions of the 6s though - taken me a good 8 months to finally decided the right one I want!

Antony@indigo-gt

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Can't do the rods on a 5 John only 6 onwards

john banks

Thanks for the correction ant. Is the piston different or some other reason?

dazdavies

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A mate of mine has just had the rod conversion done on an Evo 4 at NR Autosport and the engine stayed in situ for that.