Toyota HiLux or Defender 90??
23 October 2008, 10:08 AM
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Toyota HiLux or Defender 90??
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I'm contemplaing getting a 4x4 with a little more off road capability than the impreza car.
These are the two that I have (i think) settled on.
Any opinions?
I'm contemplaing getting a 4x4 with a little more off road capability than the impreza car.
These are the two that I have (i think) settled on.
Any opinions?
23 October 2008, 10:20 AM
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It depends on what level of off road ability you're looking for? If its just light duties then there wouldn't be much in it but obviously the Landy is by far the better vehicle for this type of work, however, the Hilux will be fine provided it doesn't get too extreme but you have the added advantage of the bakkie plus Japanese reliability.
26 October 2008, 01:25 PM
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26 October 2008, 08:43 PM
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depends how usefull you are with the spanners, and how extreem your off roading. but i'd go for the yota every time, i've had two and they never missed a beat. another to consider is the izusu trooper 3.1 td iv'e got one and it gets treated very badly out in croatia in the mountians and ive even stuck it on its roof and it still makes the 3000mile round trip no problems in 3years so far
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depends how usefull you are with the spanners, and how extreem your off roading. but i'd go for the yota every time, i've had two and they never missed a beat. another to consider is the izusu trooper 3.1 td iv'e got one and it gets treated very badly out in croatia in the mountians and ive even stuck it on its roof and it still makes the 3000mile round trip no problems in 3years so far
i have an isuzu tfs 2.5td pickup (doublecab) absolutley spoton, keep it under 75mph on the motorway and get 30+mpg
the suspension isn't as hard as other pickups so goes better offroad but still able to carry 5adults and equipment on the rear!!!!! try that in a landpig 90!!!!!!
if you want some comfort when driving , no extreme offroading and reliability forget the landpig
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i would second the isuzu
i have an isuzu tfs 2.5td pickup (doublecab) absolutley spoton, keep it under 75mph on the motorway and get 30+mpg
the suspension isn't as hard as other pickups so goes better offroad but still able to carry 5adults and equipment on the rear!!!!! try that in a landpig 90!!!!!!
if you want some comfort when driving , no extreme offroading and reliability forget the landpig
i have an isuzu tfs 2.5td pickup (doublecab) absolutley spoton, keep it under 75mph on the motorway and get 30+mpg
the suspension isn't as hard as other pickups so goes better offroad but still able to carry 5adults and equipment on the rear!!!!! try that in a landpig 90!!!!!!
if you want some comfort when driving , no extreme offroading and reliability forget the landpig
Thanks.
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My boyfriends got a 90, all his friends have got Land Rovers too! In my opinion they're not that reliable and I think they're really ugly and basic. I tried to get him to get something smarter I almost got him to get a Toyota but he didn't think that it would stand his off roading hobbie.
I'd never been off roading so the other week he took me to tixover quarry......oh my god!
I now see why he has a 90! Driving through thick mud and clay! And i've not even mentioned the fact that he drove through the lake! The water was just pouring in the doors and he wasn't even bothered!
I don't really fancy him driving a nice new shiny Toyota through a lake!
Lins
I'd never been off roading so the other week he took me to tixover quarry......oh my god!
I now see why he has a 90! Driving through thick mud and clay! And i've not even mentioned the fact that he drove through the lake! The water was just pouring in the doors and he wasn't even bothered!
I don't really fancy him driving a nice new shiny Toyota through a lake!
Lins
05 November 2008, 10:36 PM
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gotta love an Isuzu
Don't get a Landpig, you'll regret it within 3 months.
A pick-up is the way forward, reliable, comfortable, practicle, great fun etc.
Don't get a Landpig, you'll regret it within 3 months.
A pick-up is the way forward, reliable, comfortable, practicle, great fun etc.
05 November 2008, 10:49 PM
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Iv'e got the best of both worlds in the suzy, it's a swb 3.1td, does 110mph will cruse at 90mph for 20hrs no problem, has similar approach and departure angles to the LR90 so will go up or down anything you point it at, tyres permitting of course, and the only thing iv'e done to it in 43.000miles is change oil and filters 2 sets of tyers and a set of break pads..
06 November 2008, 04:00 PM
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In standard form no SUV will touch a 90 or Wrangler off road.
Older truck based pickups are nearly always limited with overhangs and heavy leaf sprung suspension which limits axle articulation.
Depends how extreme your off roading is going to be.
Cheers
Lee
Older truck based pickups are nearly always limited with overhangs and heavy leaf sprung suspension which limits axle articulation.
Depends how extreme your off roading is going to be.
Cheers
Lee
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06 November 2008, 09:04 PM
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There's no way a Landy could do that combination as smoothly with the same refinement and comfort.
I liked the Toyota on a test drive last year, but there was no legroom and at the time it was down on power compared to the Isuzu and Nissan.
I have no doubt the Isuzu will last just as long as the Toyota, not sure about Animals and Navaras though.
It's definately not a 'lifestyle vehicle', it's a proper working tool, with a few creature comforts.
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This fifth-generation Isuzu pickup is sold in vast volumes in more than 80 countries worldwide wearing, for example, ‘Holden’ badges in Australia.
Not only does it have a 37 per cent market share in Thailand where it is built, selling a staggering 167,000 units in 2006, but Isuzu has been the Number One best-seller in the one-tonne pickup market since 1983.
Elsewhere, the Rodeo has a 79 per cent market share in Egypt, for example, 43 per cent in Israel and more than 32 per cent in Australia and New Zealand. Annual production exceeded 379,000 units in 2005 and Isuzu Operations Thailand is the biggest exporter of pickups in the world.
Meanwhile, the Japanese parent company of Isuzu is the Number One best seller worldwide for medium-duty trucks (gross vehicle weight between 6.1 and 16 tonnes) with 75,944 sales in 2004, for example.
Isuzu is also the biggest diesel engine producer in the world and on 7 November, 2006, signed a business agreement with Toyota of Japan giving Isuzu authority to take the lead in small diesel engine research and development. Toyota’s share in Isuzu is 5.9 per cent.
Not only does it have a 37 per cent market share in Thailand where it is built, selling a staggering 167,000 units in 2006, but Isuzu has been the Number One best-seller in the one-tonne pickup market since 1983.
Elsewhere, the Rodeo has a 79 per cent market share in Egypt, for example, 43 per cent in Israel and more than 32 per cent in Australia and New Zealand. Annual production exceeded 379,000 units in 2005 and Isuzu Operations Thailand is the biggest exporter of pickups in the world.
Meanwhile, the Japanese parent company of Isuzu is the Number One best seller worldwide for medium-duty trucks (gross vehicle weight between 6.1 and 16 tonnes) with 75,944 sales in 2004, for example.
Isuzu is also the biggest diesel engine producer in the world and on 7 November, 2006, signed a business agreement with Toyota of Japan giving Isuzu authority to take the lead in small diesel engine research and development. Toyota’s share in Isuzu is 5.9 per cent.
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[QUOTE=G00ner;8251004]Not the original, although the most well known and the best according to who?
According to me!! (and that relatively well known bloke Mr Clarkson).
Have a look on the hilux forum, the general concensus is that the mark 3 is the one to have
According to me!! (and that relatively well known bloke Mr Clarkson).
Have a look on the hilux forum, the general concensus is that the mark 3 is the one to have
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What's the CDF version then?
I'm sure I read that Toyota were doing an official 200bhp version of the new shape?
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I used to be a Geotech engineer. We had a fleet of HiLuxes and a fleet of lightly modded Defender 110s. We used them VERY hard.
If you want ultimate reliability it has to be the HiLux. They just NEVER broke down even though they often got battered to bits. If you want a really good 4x4 and a roof, it HAS to be a Defender - they kicked the backsides of the HiLuxes off road - HiLux is too light at the back end.
Our 110s needed a new gearbox every 8k miles - after towing a 3 tonne drilling rig all over the UK! But it would often outdo a JCB off road.
We got similar mpgs from both - mid 20s.
If you want ultimate reliability it has to be the HiLux. They just NEVER broke down even though they often got battered to bits. If you want a really good 4x4 and a roof, it HAS to be a Defender - they kicked the backsides of the HiLuxes off road - HiLux is too light at the back end.
Our 110s needed a new gearbox every 8k miles - after towing a 3 tonne drilling rig all over the UK! But it would often outdo a JCB off road.
We got similar mpgs from both - mid 20s.
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if its just for off road use as a play toy then get a 90 there one of the best off roaders to date cheap to repair but if looked after will go for ever mines go over 200k on the clock and spends most of its time with the valves bouncing of the top of the head but still keeps going the hilux are better on road but they have a overhang problem off road
hope this helps dave
hope this helps dave
12 November 2008, 08:06 PM
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Toyota every time
and if you want the "daddy" of all off roaders get a LC80 Landcruiser makes pretty much every other off roader look like a toy
diff locks on every axle – will go anywhere
the Nairobi (Kenya) Land Rover dealership uses a Toyota,s as thier recovery trucks – nuff said
and if you want the "daddy" of all off roaders get a LC80 Landcruiser makes pretty much every other off roader look like a toy
diff locks on every axle – will go anywhere
the Nairobi (Kenya) Land Rover dealership uses a Toyota,s as thier recovery trucks – nuff said
12 November 2008, 11:25 PM
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What about these two 4x4's:
The first Landcruiser HZJ73 below, is fitted with the (1HZ) 4.2d engine and is 5 speed manual.Also swb.
https://bzl.cis6200.jp/e/p5_search_d...ADT&o=DESC&p=1
The second L/c BJ74V, is fitted with the 3.4d (3B) engine, 5 speed manual and swb.I now know this engine is more reliable, compared with all the other L/C engines made in the same period, and that includes the 4.2 diesel engine in all of the derivitives.The gearbox and transfer case is more than likly the same quality, as the engine and all the other drivetrain is too.Much more reliable compared with the Landrover Defenders etc.Parts might be hard to find i don't know.I am guessing but are these 70s wider compared with the Landrovers ?.
https://bzl.cis6200.jp/e/p5_search_d...ADT&o=DESC&p=1
Hope this helps.
The first Landcruiser HZJ73 below, is fitted with the (1HZ) 4.2d engine and is 5 speed manual.Also swb.
https://bzl.cis6200.jp/e/p5_search_d...ADT&o=DESC&p=1
The second L/c BJ74V, is fitted with the 3.4d (3B) engine, 5 speed manual and swb.I now know this engine is more reliable, compared with all the other L/C engines made in the same period, and that includes the 4.2 diesel engine in all of the derivitives.The gearbox and transfer case is more than likly the same quality, as the engine and all the other drivetrain is too.Much more reliable compared with the Landrover Defenders etc.Parts might be hard to find i don't know.I am guessing but are these 70s wider compared with the Landrovers ?.
https://bzl.cis6200.jp/e/p5_search_d...ADT&o=DESC&p=1
Hope this helps.
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I had a 1989 Toyota Hilux 2.4d
Loved it, sold it to buy the scoob
I'd have another one any day, not the fastest thing on 4 wheels, but with a body lift, 3 inch bars all found, 5 x 300w lights on it, it did look good
Loved it, sold it to buy the scoob
I'd have another one any day, not the fastest thing on 4 wheels, but with a body lift, 3 inch bars all found, 5 x 300w lights on it, it did look good
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If you are not bothered about the age of the 4x4, try the Landcruiser BJ42 swb or BJ44.Also HJ45 lwb with 4.0ltr straight six na diesel.There are some immaculate cruisers, to be found if you decide to import one.
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Defender 90 everytime! Had one of these and it was supreme offroad, and not nearly as bad onroad as a lot of people would have you believe, in fact, as a daily it was quite easy to get along with. It was also stupidly good in snowy/icy conditions.
Looks wise, you can't get a much harder looking 4x4 either, and that even goes for the good ol' Humvee!
Overall, it was reliable enough for an older miler, and servicing maintenance was easy and fairly cheap aswell.
Being an ex owner with good experiences of them, I am likely to be a little biased towards the green oval, but they are good!
Looks wise, you can't get a much harder looking 4x4 either, and that even goes for the good ol' Humvee!
Overall, it was reliable enough for an older miler, and servicing maintenance was easy and fairly cheap aswell.
Being an ex owner with good experiences of them, I am likely to be a little biased towards the green oval, but they are good!
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