delcbr

iam thinking about getting something reasonably quick under 10k
hondas have a good reputation and iam interested in the accord type r but i dont know if i can be bothered having to work it hard to make it shift.
which leads me to turbodiesels commuting to and from work i see them effortlessly passing by at high speed i know the vag diesels are well regarded but is there better out there such as bmw 320d there quite heavy so was thinking it might not be that quick.
was thinking about ford and vauxhalls td's but iam not sure reliability wise once their a few years old.
any reccomendations ppl?

Jamescsti

I'm not sure on what size of car you are looking for, but in terms of reliability, I have a MOndeo which is on a 52plate with 104000 on the clock and is still going strong. It's a TDCi

Tobisausage

If you looked hard enough enough you might find a Mondeo ST TDCi for £10k but you might have to stretch to £11/12k (will be a 2005 plate). Worth it though, massive spec and great performance.

Or you could go for the ST220 (petrol), lots around for around £10k (easily can get a 2004/2005 plate) , again massive spec and great performance from the V6.

Andy M3

Would have to agree - superb chasis 40+mpg and 230lb/ft?

https://www.scoobynet.com/private-sa...Mondeo+ST+TDCi

markymark34

If your wanting a diesel the mondeos are great value for money. the 130bhp engine is pretty good. Not as quick as the 130bhp engine in the golf/bora but they are lighter cars.

I am delighted with my 02 bora although having been in my mates STI the need to sell it has caused me to become a member here and start saving!

Brun

Old boy has a 130 TDCi which i love driving. Nice handling and a decent turn of speed.
My Missus has a Fabia VRS which is a complete hoot to drive and feels really quick. Drove it all last week on my hols in the Lakes and gave it some right stick around the twisties. Filled up when i got back and i got 49.7mpg

daz4065

You had better believe it markymark34 the old sti is gonna get some serious treatment.

The Terminator wrx

Try a 330d bmw with a remap 250 bhp and about 350 lbs + torque very quick

misty

Astra 1.9 cdti 150. DTUK tuning box (£225)and you get 200 horses and 300 torques. Effortless motorway cruiser, and will give most hot hatches a good spanking.
Dave

Moonloops

standard 330d's are faster than standard UK turbos - I know, one went flying past me on the A19

misty

That really means very little mate! A smart car went flying past me but it doesn't mean it's a quicker car! Just that I was only doing 30 mph..
Dave

rossi_classicwrx

i can vouch for the 330d's
Ive got one and i came from a 340bhp impreza previously. Mines standard at the moment and got bags of torque and pleanty of power. Its suprising how many supposidly hot hatches get left behind by it. Its effortless power aswell.. no need to rev it (obviously as its a diesel) and it seems to pull strongly from any revs.
Its honestly the best decision i ever made getting this car and i would reccomend it to anyone. You could probably get one on the very top end of your budget although it may need stretching a bit!

MY00PPP

E46 BMW 320D 2001 - late 2003 have big liking for blowing a turbo. regardless of age/mileage/history. Many around sub 10k mark... and that's why.

I post on BMW Land - A Drivers Chat Talk Discussion Forum Board for UK BMW cars and owners 3 5 6 7 series Questions & Answers many tails of main dealer 'helping' with costs as its a known fault but only if FULL BMW service history on the dot.

RM

delcbr

quite interesting posts thanks.
so i shouldnt bother about the 320d i heard that about the early 330d aswell that the turbos fail.
i tell you turbodiesels are tempting for real world driving as you can easily use the power without breaking a sweat.
i wonder if the new fabia vrs will bring out the 150 pdi engine.

misty

Better still the 170 as fitted to the golf gt.
Dave

Moonloops

I was 120MPH flat out accelerating

misty

Make your mind up! you were either, flat out or, accelerating. If you were flat out, then you can no longer be accelerating.
Dave

Andy M3

I read that as in foot flat to the floor - no more throttle to feed in

Moonloops

Yes correct, some people get easily confused.

Housey

I just read the title of this post and have to say "W.T.F.??"

Fast diesels....

delcbr

well 300lbft from a td aint gonna be slow now is it?
thats why the smart choice might be a turbo diesel for running costs lots of power available from 2000rpm and basically a wolf in sheeps clothing.
and no chav would want to vandalise your diesel or steal it or be drawn to it.
it could be the smart choice which isnt brialliant at one thing but is good allround.

Peter Horlock

just moved to a 330D myself.
not knowing the shell cashier on first name trems will seem strange with 500miles /tank compared to the scooby.
I have only owned it for 24 hour, but a remap will be soon

Peter

Stu_M

Ibiza Cupra TDi comes with PD160 and 243 lb/ft, very easy to go fast without much effort if thats what you want. Weighs in a good bit less than a Fabia vrs as well.

logiclee

The 2.2TDCi in the ST and other Mondeo's pushes out 265lbft constant with 295lbft available for short periods on transient overboost.

The 2.0TDCi 130bhp has 243lbft constant and 265lbft during transient overboost.

Cheers
Lee

turboman786

Transient overboost...what is this??

misty

It means the transmission can't cope with that much power all of the time
Dave

logiclee

No it doesn't.

When a turbo spools up it has a natural tendancy to reach it's maximum boost pressure and overshoot. In the early days before modern wastegate and VNT systems this used to cause havoc and killed many a Renualt 5 Turbo, MG Metro Turbo etc, the fueling and ignition systems couldn't cope.
Modern systems can safely use transient overboost. Ford allow the turbo to transient overboost, raising the maximum boost level allowed and fueling for the extra boost.
How long the overboost is allowed for depends on a number of safety parameters like charge, water and oil temps.

Cheers
Lee

misty

No! You obviously didn't understand my answer, It's simply because the transmission can't cope with that level of torque all of the time. Why lower the headline torque figure that will sell more cars? Because the transmission can't take the strain....
Dave

logiclee

Not at all, it's to do with the rating of the turbo not the transmission.

Both engines use the same box anway so why lower the 2.0l torque figure?

Runing the 2.2TDCi at 295lbft and the 2.0 (130) at 265lbft is outside the turbo's optimal envelope but if all other parameters are safe Ford will let the turbo overboost for short periods.

They used this setup on the 1.8TDCi Focus first and then on the Mondeo on all outputs of the 2.0TDCi and the 2.2TDCi on both the lower rated 5 speed box and the higher rated 6 speed box.

Cheers
Lee

scoobyfrankie

Seat ibiza has a 160 bhp version in a diesel