Are there any cars with 7 speed manual?
30 December 2006, 07:11 PM
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The first works Sapphire Cosworth rally cars had manual 7 speeders. Very close ratios, double H pattern too, not sequential.
Confusing for the drivers who drove the cars pretty much one handed whilst banging around the gear lever with the other, not really necesarry due to the generous torque spread of the motor, and replaced with more conventional 6 speeders after a season or so.
Confusing for the drivers who drove the cars pretty much one handed whilst banging around the gear lever with the other, not really necesarry due to the generous torque spread of the motor, and replaced with more conventional 6 speeders after a season or so.
30 December 2006, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
Lexus LS something has 8 gears (japs going over the top with technology again and ruining the car whilst at it.)
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31 December 2006, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by davecweed
Mr porky pie!
Its a powerful and pretty swift car
Its hasnt got much steering feel though, I think the all the electronics and gadgets hinder it.
I think that its on par with the new S class for comfort and ride, if not better and its really quiet.
The interior isnt all that, but I have to say I was impressed with the stereo. The car was really really quite but that might have been due to the smooth roads in orlando?
If I was 80 I would buy one, but because im not id take the audi S8 even though I havent driven one purely based on exterior and interior looks. Oh and engine noise even though the lexxy didnt sound too bad I suppose.
still think I pory pie?
31 December 2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
Quick review
Its a powerful and pretty swift car
Its hasnt got much steering feel though, I think the all the electronics and gadgets hinder it.
I think that its on par with the new S class for comfort and ride, if not better and its really quiet.
The interior isnt all that, but I have to say I was impressed with the stereo. The car was really really quite but that might have been due to the smooth roads in orlando?
If I was 80 I would buy one, but because im not id take the audi S8 even though I havent driven one purely based on exterior and interior looks. Oh and engine noise even though the lexxy didnt sound too bad I suppose.
still think I pory pie?
Its a powerful and pretty swift car
Its hasnt got much steering feel though, I think the all the electronics and gadgets hinder it.
I think that its on par with the new S class for comfort and ride, if not better and its really quiet.
The interior isnt all that, but I have to say I was impressed with the stereo. The car was really really quite but that might have been due to the smooth roads in orlando?
If I was 80 I would buy one, but because im not id take the audi S8 even though I havent driven one purely based on exterior and interior looks. Oh and engine noise even though the lexxy didnt sound too bad I suppose.
still think I pory pie?
With a review like that i find it hard to believe your not a staff writer for Evo, The way your writing encapsulated the driving experience was pure magic, i was there with you breezing down the Orlando freeway.
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31 December 2006, 09:37 AM
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I think you are missing the point, the heading states "Are there any cars with 7 speed MANUAL". The AMG definately doesn't, I would doubt the Lexus has, and surely the new Audi is a DSG or Flappy paddle thingy.
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31 December 2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
actually I have, in yank land
Who feels stupid now
Who feels stupid now
31 December 2006, 12:08 PM
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at a guess id say motorbike engined kit cars that retain the sequential shift of the motorbike gearbox would probly have 7 forward speeds depending on the donor bike used, but i dont know of any genuine factory built cars using seven speed manuals... no real need is there? theyd either be such short ratios meaning contant shifting, or have one very tall 7th gear for to speed which you cant use on many roads anyway?
02 January 2007, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Reffro
The only bike I know that had one was the Cagiva Mito 125cc.
No seven speed "big" bikes
16 January 2007, 04:31 PM
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My mum once had a Triumph Dolomite with a four gear speedbox and overdrive.
It was so shagged you could get the overdrive to work in conjunction with any gear, so effectively it had an 8 speed 'box, does that count?
It was so shagged you could get the overdrive to work in conjunction with any gear, so effectively it had an 8 speed 'box, does that count?
16 January 2007, 07:58 PM
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Quick review
Its a powerful and pretty swift car
Its hasnt got much steering feel though, I think the all the electronics and gadgets hinder it.
I think that its on par with the new S class for comfort and ride, if not better and its really quiet.
The interior isnt all that, but I have to say I was impressed with the stereo. The car was really really quite but that might have been due to the smooth roads in orlando?
If I was 80 I would buy one, but because im not id take the audi S8 even though I havent driven one purely based on exterior and interior looks. Oh and engine noise even though the lexxy didnt sound too bad I suppose.
still think I pory pie?
Its a powerful and pretty swift car
Its hasnt got much steering feel though, I think the all the electronics and gadgets hinder it.
I think that its on par with the new S class for comfort and ride, if not better and its really quiet.
The interior isnt all that, but I have to say I was impressed with the stereo. The car was really really quite but that might have been due to the smooth roads in orlando?
If I was 80 I would buy one, but because im not id take the audi S8 even though I havent driven one purely based on exterior and interior looks. Oh and engine noise even though the lexxy didnt sound too bad I suppose.
still think I pory pie?
17 January 2007, 07:43 PM
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Group A Sierra Cosworth Rally cars of the 90's had 7 speed manual boxes, not even sequential, just on a conventional H (or HH!) gate. Must've been a nightmare trying to snag the right one in the middle of a stage
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18 January 2007, 10:18 PM
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You may be right - however on every single document, legal or otherwise its listed as a manual. Therefore if you only had a driving license for class B Auto, you'd technically not be allowed to drive it.
anyway, although it has no clutch there's nothing to stop you shifting it into 1st at non 1st gear speeds and locking up the rear wheels, you can also select an unsuitable gear hence manual ie you have manual control over the gear you're in.
anyway, although it has no clutch there's nothing to stop you shifting it into 1st at non 1st gear speeds and locking up the rear wheels, you can also select an unsuitable gear hence manual ie you have manual control over the gear you're in.
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18 January 2007, 11:28 PM
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The DVLA I know for sure do not class the M5 SMG as a manual. By their own definition any car without a clutch pedal is an automatic.
You don't have a clutch pedal and you do not change gear by hand (you control an electro-mechanical system), the M5 also has an automatic mode where you do not have to command the gear change. Your car's gearbox does at its heart have a 7 speed gearbox and a clutch, but so does the 7 speed Mercedes gearbox and that ain't a manual either.
I sorry but you are on the losing side with this argument, all similar sequential transmissions are classified as automatics. They may start with manual gearbox architecture but they also have automated gear selection and clutch control.
You don't have a clutch pedal and you do not change gear by hand (you control an electro-mechanical system), the M5 also has an automatic mode where you do not have to command the gear change. Your car's gearbox does at its heart have a 7 speed gearbox and a clutch, but so does the 7 speed Mercedes gearbox and that ain't a manual either.
I sorry but you are on the losing side with this argument, all similar sequential transmissions are classified as automatics. They may start with manual gearbox architecture but they also have automated gear selection and clutch control.