scooby_matt

Right guys, i'm sorry to do this to you but i can't seem to get on with the Lancer Register and can't find what i'm looking for , so i've got an Evo question.

I've basically made my mind up that the next car's going to be an Evo.
My budget will allow me to comfortably buy an FQ300 with some spare cash for modifying for a bit more power (I don't want to take a drop in performance from my 320 bhp classic scoob ).

How far can you go on the standard turbo on the FQ300 with the relevant supporting mods?


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nickwrxstiV2

Somebody may correct me, but I think it's about 370/380 bhp. After that, most people opt for the 10.5 turbine housing from the MR, which will allow over 400bhp.

scoobytravis

Have had UK 99 Impreza with around 270hp basic mods (decat/Ecutek etc...), An Evo 8 GSR (Import) around 280hp. Both these were stolen a few months ago, and now have MY00 Impreza with PPP and an Evo 8 FQ300.

The FQ300 has the following mods

Full Decat HKS Exhaust
Apexi Induction Kit with heat shield
Warlboro upgraded fuel pump
Greddy Profec B2 boost controller
ECUTEK remap by "The Dentist" (Sam Ellasar, well known in Evo tuning)

The boost controller allows more control over boost and has 2 user-definable settings Hi/Lo that can be changed at the press of a button. Also alarm settings and will retard boost in case of overboost or spike.

Reported to be running about 370/370 on high boost (1.6 Bar) and back to standard 300ish on low boost.Though never rolling roaded to prove, this seems about right from what others have said for these mods.

I believe the slightly newer FQ-MR or Evo 9 with MIVEC valve timing evos are a little more tunable again, with closer to the 400hp reported by some with similar mods above.

With a change of turbine housing (10.5t) and turbo elbow I think another 20 or so hp is possible on the FQ300 non-MR making nearer the 400hp mark

Graham

scooby_matt

Thanks for that mate. Those figures look very attractive with what is basically a full de-cat and remap. This is the main reason i'm looking at an Evo rather than another scoob because they're far more tunable with less bits and bobs bolted on.

There seems to be that many various models in the range (even compared to the Impreza line-up), GSR, FQ and MR, i'm trying to get to grips with what's what.

Does the FQ320 use the same turbo as the FQ300, with just a different engine map?

MattW

Models - UK Evo

FQ8 >> MR8 >> FQ9

JDM Evo

GSR8 >>>>>9>>>>>>

..............GT9 >>>>


IIRC

scoobytyson

I think the main difference between the fq300 and the fq320 is the fq300 does not have the hard pipe kit.

scooby_matt

ProdriveSTI

Yes all use the same turbos

The FQ300 is the same as GSR (thats the jap spec)

320 has HKS filter & HKS zorst

340 has the same expect for a remap.

If you buy a evo 8 you can easy get around 350 -360 BHP
Buy an evo 8 MR & you should get around 370-380 BHP
Evo 9 are around 380-400 BHP.

Hope that helps....

evo north

The 320 also gets the hks super dragger exhaust, which i would swap for a proper 3'' turbo back one,
The old evo 8 fq300 non mr has a smaller turbo housing to the mr, 9.8t instead of the mr 10.5t, mr cams are more aggresive, mine is currently running at around 385bhp, makes a good car, ran a 12.33@ 112.7 mph, @1475 kg,

turbodan

Pretty sure the Fq-300 had the HKS goodies. But the MR is the better setup to start tuning from - more gains available. But then they also cost more to begin with...

scoobytravis

My Evo 8 FQ300 has HKS Super drager exhaust, and hard pipes. Was this standard on the FQ300? Not sure.

Dark Blue Mark

You can go very far compared to a scoob, and dont have to do front mount, headers etc

I have decat, intake, pump and Ecutek and would guess 360 bhp. Boost controller seems to get you to 370 and then its MR items (turbo elbow / cams etc)

Punished a Monaro the other day

MB

Dark Blue Mark

Travis - yes.

MB

scooby_matt

That's my reasoning for opting for one over another Scoob.

Is it worth paying the extra for the MR version initially, or buying the MR parts later on when needed?

jameswrx

iTrader: (4)

I'd go for the MR if you can afford it, not just because they are better but you can get them in that superb dark grey

Nice carbon front lip and some advan wheels and they are pure evil looking

Dark Blue Mark

Well the MR suspension is a must for a start. FQ stuff is hard enough that it compromises the grip IMO. I just picked up a set with Eibachs for £350 but normally pay around £500 for a used / nearly new set. Also just paid £600 for MR wheels as the FQ ones are gay.

If you do want bigger power than 370 then go for the MR. Otherwise an FQ300 is better value than any of the rest IMO, as you can get to 370 for about £1500 (I did it for £1300) Even to 260 can be modded the same, although has a 5 speed and girly rear spoiler.

I think even if you want monster power then the FQ300 is good, as you would be junking a lot of the MR stuff anyway.

Not taking away anything from the MR, it is the daddy of the standard range.

Added to that, you can get the nice steel grey colour with the MR too



MB

Dark Blue Mark

The STi 8/9 interior is much nicer IMO, but I luckily got the leather upgrade





MB

scooby_matt

Looks

So, is there no reason to opt for an fq320 over a 300 if you intend to modify it, as the ultimate power after, say, a full de-cat and remap will be the same?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm starting to grasp it all now

Dark Blue Mark

Old wheels for comparisson.



And a rear shot


MB

Dark Blue Mark

Matt, in terms of potential power its only the MR that can offer a higher ultimate limit from zorst / remap mods.

So all FQ models are mechanically the same AFAIK. The 260 and GSR dont have the hardpipes and HKS zorst.

MB

scooby_matt

Nice one, that's the bit that was confusing.
Are the FQ300 MR's hard to get hold of?

jameswrx

iTrader: (4)

GSR's have hard pipes but not the hks exhaust.

Dark Blue Mark

Im not sure thats right. My friends didnt.

MB

jameswrx

iTrader: (4)

Yeah, you're right.

The GSR does have metal pipework between the rubber elbows, I presumed this was hard pipes (which in a way they are) because the evo 6 for example has plastic pipework in one place (leading to throttle body) but the fq300's have more metal work and less rubber.

gatty

i had a fq 300 with a hks de cat and hks air filter so the dealer said. i put it on the dyno and it got 350 bhp

bear this in mind when buying an fq300 there residuals are pretty crap especially if your planning doing mods . why dont you get a second hand spec c (litchfields had a cheap one) somthing with a bit pf exclusivity besides the spec c is far better. i would know having had both.

good luck mate

MattW

The 260 is not the same mechanically. It is based on the Evo 7 and has a 5 speed box.

MattW

As gatty says, residuals are dire, pick one up privately but make sure it has been looked after, they are VERY expensive cars to run.

Dark Blue Mark

Matt - I noted the 5 speed. I said FQ models are the same.

It still has the same tuning potential.

MB

MattW

You did, didn't read post 16 properly.

scooby_matt

I have considered this, and it was what I wanted before the evo. There's something that's putting me off though, but I don't really know what.

I've not driven either though, so I've been trying to keep an open mind.

Anyone else had experience of both?