rob2006

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I'm looking to buy a second hand/nearly new deisel. I sold my scooby 2 mths ago and i really do miss everything about it apart from the obvious running costs.

I really cant go back to turbo/petrol/300bhp for a very long time as i'm loving the bank balance that i now have. i gave myself a £2k wage rise in fuel alone just by selling the thing.

I bought a xsara hdi diesel which i am rather surprised with its oomph. I just wanted to know is there anything out there that has more than 180bhp costs less that 14k, sporty looks/handling and does more than 45mpg.

i'm only 25 - i think i'll go get a zimmer frame now to!!

Thanks
Rob

scoobynutta555

Something like a used 330d, maybe a sport version. Look on Autotrader.

itworldwide

BMW 535d

rob2006

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Bloody hell guys, just checked both tech specs of these cars.. neither can manage over 30mpg. although my post does say whats the fastest so i did fall into that one.

thanks for the suggestion tho.

Rob

scoobynutta555

I should imagine you'd return much more than 30 mpg if you're doing a lot of motorway miles as I'd assume you were doing by your original post.

If it's more mpg you want, then some sort of VAG engined car would possibly be better. Maybe a 150 Golf gt tdi or something and get it chipped up? Much less than 14k.

Jamesemt

Depends what you want...

Wife has a Fabia vRS which is great fun and group 9 ins...but its only 130bhp.

I've got an Ibiza Cupra TDI which cost me £13,700 pre registered. Had it remapped at 10 days old (for £300...), now running about 200bhp.

I had mine remapped for high end power, so its really really laggy - genuinely feels quicker than a UK classic (although obviously it isn't) especially when it comes on boost at about 2,300rpm and delivers 320lb/ft torque

You have to remember that nothing is for free - if you make loads of power you will burn loads of diesel too. Taking it steady I get 50mpg, driving erm hard on back roads gives about 30mpg (that is giving it death, though).

rob2006

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Interesting, i assume a similar engine would be avalible in the leon? what sort of chip is it? a friend used to have a golf TDi which he chipped if you can call it that with some sort of box that fitted onto the fuel rail or there abouts.)

200bhp would be nice esspecialy if it can return around 50mpg with careful driving.

WHEELSHOP0_0

I regularly get more than 30 mpg from mine, its a 530 (Alpina options) not engine tho. its chipped and has loads of mid range, also have seen 50+ mpg indicated on cruise during a run (80ish).
I would think the 3 series should be better (lighter) if you dont need the space. imho.

MattW

A 330d will return about 38mpg as a manual, and that's not hanging around. The auto loses 4-5mpg on paper and that seems representative of other peoples ownership experience.

logiclee

I doubt you'd get one for £14k

If cost isn't an issue, the A8 V8TDi is quicker.

Cheers
Lee

Andy Tang

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Nearly a year ago I bought a high mileage 3 year old Golf TDI 150. It had 18" wheels (which have been swapped for 17" wheels for ride quality), tinted windows, backbox, and it had also been chipped so it's running 180bhp/300lbft.

Not bad for £8.5k.

When I drive the car hard, it will only see 35mpg but that is through the revs and foot planted. The car will see 55mpg on a lesuirely motorway run. My work run is a mixture of country lanes, stop-start town traffic and fast A road, and it still returns 42mpg.

LG John

If the cupra has 200bhp then in theory it should keep up with a classic shape scooby once rolling from say 50-120mph. According to my info it has around 1175kg to lug so is a good 85kg lighter with less tranny loses. It must be a weapon for overtaking! What can you pick these up for 2nd hand?

vindaloo

Change it to 180 BHP+ and can do 45 mpg and most of the VAG stuff can fit the bill. Leon, Fabia, Ibiza... With a remap, most can approach 180 horsies and driven carefully will return 50MPG.

J.

Trout

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Whatever the question a certain someone will be along in a minute to tell you it is an Audi

Rannoch

Dream Weaver

We're selling our BMW 320CD Sport soon if you fancy it, probably around the £13k mark.

Silver, full sport kit, 150bhp (easily chipped to 195bhp for £400), brand new BMW engine 1500 miles ago, looks the dogs but we need a family car.

Gets 49mpg+ on the motorway, 42mpg around town.

Lovely car but we now need 5 doors.

MarkCSC

Could always try the Astra VXR Vauxhall Astra | Motoring Previews | News | Auto Express

[edit]Ooops bit more than £14k[/edit]

LG John

I really fancy a test drive in one of these Cupra Tdi's - they have caught my interest on the basis of this thread! I'd love to know if a chipped one would be as fast as say a Civic Type-R. On paper it should be but its so hard to say given the totally different method of power delivery:

TDI, 1175kg, 200bhp
CTR, 1205kg, 197bhp

Both have 6-speed gearboxes and similar dimensions but both make their power in radically different ways. Obviously in general hoofing around the TDI would be quicker but I'd love to see a 0-120mph drag between these two - any comments James? I'd guess with a miltek and good remap you could probably get the TDI to 210bhp in which case surely it would be fractionally quicker than a CTR. If so that would put it worryingly close to my car for straight-line performance through the gears

Sti_Lad

Remember Diesels have a very narrow power band, so whilst they have 200 bhp when chipped, the range of this power is very narrow... Still its an intersting thought... I might be going to the smokey side of diesel soon!

I quite like the A4 2.5 Diesel but i think they are stuill pretty expensive

Charlie

J4CKO

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The 2.5 diesel doesnt seem much quicker than the 130 4 cylinder in the A4, my father in law has one, its an auto but I was expecting it to be a lot quicker.

Also, you get a lot of Volvo S60 for that money and they chip to over 200 bhp, had a blast with one last night and it really moved.

Sti_Lad

Yeah the Volvo D5 is VERY impressive on the motorway,

BAGS of torque!

I just like the 2.5 TDI engine Audi use its not running huge power but is easy to upgrade!

andythejock01wrx

Kenny, I reckon the Cupra would be v quick, but you'd surely miss than screaming, high revving Vtec ?! Changing up at 5k would be pretty alien to you !

Andy

Dream Weaver

True, but you just have to change gear quicker, and more often

I have a nightmare changing from the Beemer which runs out at 4,500rpm and uses diesel, to my 205 which comes on cam at 4,500rpm and runs up to 8,500rpm and uses SUL

LG John

It would and I would miss it but then I can be sold on the 'thump' in the back feeling as well and I'd guess when a 200bhp diesel comes on boost its going to kick you really hard in the back at 2500rpm I note some 05 sub-15k mile examples on PH for around £10,000. I'd guess you could get a remapped and miltek'd example on your drive for £11,000 and its a nearly new car with a warranty that you might get them to honour even with your mods. Every day driving is a breeze, 50mpg can be achieved if you want it and in performance terms it 'should/might' be up there with the hot-hatches and non-sti scoobys. That's a pretty good compromise I feel I certainly feel its the best example for the topic-poster as it ticks all his boxes and then some

andythejock01wrx

Yep, remarkable how much diesels have come on (the last one I drove was a poxy 1.7TD Astra which ran out of puff at little over 4000 revs !).

What's the bhp/torque on the Cupra TDi before its chipped ?

Andy

LG John

Bhp is 158
Torque I don't know - a lot

My dad had an early 330d and it was quick enough with 184bhp and probably the best part of 350kg more to lug around!!!

J4CKO

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I dont think that the diesel revolution is over yet, I suspect manufacturers are detuning the bigger diesel engines as they dont have the gearboxes, driveshafts and tyres that will cope with all that grunt for extended mileages and give decent mpg. Look at some of the amercian pickups on Streetfire doing 11 sec quarters with just a big old tech diesel with the boost and feuling wound up.

Jamesemt

Mmmm - thought there'd have been someone going on about how crap my car was

Anyways, it revs to 4,500 rpm very easily BUT I don't know how it would compare to a CTR if the driver was commited to keep it on the boil. IMO the Cupra handles really well, but in reality its no CTR/172 contender in the bends. Think it would be more down to driver ability to get the Cupra off the line (anything above half throttle in the dry in first will spin the front tires). Never pull away briskly in first. Oh, and because off the torque, it will pull away in 6th...

30-80 is absolutely BRUTAL (errr for a diesel ), 2nd gear from crawling pace is loads of fun.

I placed a thread a while ago about ALMOST keeping up with an M3, which I still stand by

Thing is, this is the first car I've come across were outright power is not an issue - it's traction thats the problem. When I got the car remapped, I had to have four map tweaks on the day - kept getting him to turn the map down as wheel spinning in 4th going uphill was a bit mad

The best diesel would be 4WD - shame there isn't a decent powr Octavia available in this country...

Jamesemt

IIRC 258bhp, 254lb/ft

Jamesemt

Just pick a remapper that will take the map off before warranty work (already needed to use this!!!).

Bell Autos in York did my map - completely custom with a laptop - he comes out with his laptop for a drive with you.

Pull into a layby - more power at 3,000rpm please(Couple of cut and pastes with the software/Upload software...) five minutes later, try that...
EVERYTHING is customisable - I specifically wanted to be able to go to full throttle in 2nd from really low down in the rev range.

Adam M

I had a chipped vrs.

189bhp and 311lbft. still managed 40-45 mpg regardless of how I drove it.

It went like stink too!