lil_kimmy

Hey guys.

Does anyone know much about the Clio Cups?

Any information on if one is better than the other?

Cheers,

Kim

simo

Do a search on here mate & also have a look at Cliosport.co.uk. Both cracking cars, I had a 182 full fat with cup packs last year, excellent & had all the toys as well

miss*scoobygav555*

Hey, I was looking at the 182 f/f recently, nice cars!! the website is cliosport.net by the way, hate correcting people, sorry simo..

Carla..

simo

no worries Carla, better it is right

talizman

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If you insist on a Cup, go for a 172.

The 172 Cup shaves circa 80-90kg off the full fat 172 hence making the weight saving worthwhile, whereas the 182 Cup shaves a measly 20kg yet you lose lots of goodies, such as leather, xenons, headlight washers, aircon etc etc etc.

For the sake of 20kg, I'd go for the full fat 182 with Cup suspension and spoiler packs.

Plus the 172 Cup looks nicer

Steve vRS

The 182 Cup only loses climate control but still has manual air con. The seats aren't as nice as the full fat car but I wouldn't miss any of the other bits and being a Renault, the fewer electrics, the better!

True, the 172 is a lot lighter but does without ABS, which I believe is vital for a road car.

Steve

talizman

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Even still, the weight loss offset against the price reduction for a 182 Cup is nowhere near enough to convince me to buy a Cup version.

I've owned both 172 Cup and 182 f/f with Cup packs and tbh, never missed ABS one bit.

Steve vRS

I'd have a 182 FF over a 172 Cup as it has ABS.

Steve

talizman

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So would I, and so DID I, but not because of ABS

Steve vRS

I chose a 182 Cup as I bought it second hand, loved the colour and stripes and it was an excellent price! and those 20kg less really show themselves on a good road!

If some people can detect an ITG filter over standard, I can lay claim to those 20kg

Steve

talizman

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The lack of smilies would tend to suggest that your serious?????

Your 20kg weight saving is equivalent to about half a tank of fuel so hardly worth mentioning.

Weight loss of anything less than 100kg isn't worth mentioning IMO

Me driving a Cup would have the same power to weight ratio of an 11 stone driver in a full fat

Hol

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I bought the missus one of the last FF 182 with the Cup Bits earlier this year.

I think its a great little car and loads of fun.
The ESP reminds me of the EVO in some ways as it changes character into a more involving car when you turn it off.

I did some experimenting when she first ran it in and found you can get it sideways.

Steve vRS

Reread the post and you'll see that smilies weren't required.

I can't feel the 20kg difference in the same way that an ITG filter or cat back exhaust makes no difference. Most people claim a benefit though!

Steve

PS

Jonto

I had a 172cup.........worse car i ever owned.

Not that quick, gutless and the build quality terrible. At one point i actually believed the car was made out of paper mash and matchsticks.

By a civic type R instead.

MartinM

We had a 172 Cup...

...we thought it was rather good actually.

talizman

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Our 172 Cup was traded for a CTR.

We kept the CTR for 4 months, hated it, wished we hadn't got rid of the Cup so bought a brand new 182 Cup packs

andythejock01wrx

What were the good and bad points of each ?

talizman

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Honda build quality was obviously superior and stronger residuals, however these are "sensible" qualities and not fun qualities!
The driving position is also better than the Clio and some love the interior. (however plenty hate it too)

182 doesn't look like a bread van that's ram-raided Halford , it handled better, 'felt' faster, and had much more of the all important grin factor.

The CTR had numb lifeless steering and handling. Also it had to be wrung to within an inch of its life to get it to perform adequately.

I've owned more than a few cars however no car has ever beaten my CTR record of a short 4 month ownership

Danlp6

The 172 mk1 is actually quicker than all the other 172's 182's. as its lighter than the cup standard. I used to do alot of trackdays with mine and i never had any trouble from 182's. Also the mk2 172 and 182 have a crappy electronic f-b-w throttle which is ****e for response etc. i miss my 172 loads, purely for the fun factor of it. Ive test driven loads of different cars that rival it, gti-6, type-r, focus rs, focus st, and none of them had the fun of the clio. the type-r as said has lifeless steering, the focus, is just too refined, and the diff in the rs is awful on country roads(and was actually slower than my 172 off the lights, but reeled me in in 3rd)

Monkeybone

that'll teach you for stacking it then :P

Hol

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Hey guys!!,

The question was about a 172 OR 182?

Telling him to go buy something else, does not help the man answer his question!

Good intentions aside, you remind me of my Mum.

What times dinner mum >> Oh, I have just have to cook that and that... list.
Great!, but What time is it? >> Well!, after Ive cooked this and that.. list.
Ookaaay!, Whats for dinner?, This and that..lit, be about 60mins.

Danlp6

Indeed. I did it with style though!
How it was:




Thank **** i was on my own!


And a few of it on track:

Rich D

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The 172 Cup was the proper model, loads of weight saving and uprated handling over the 172 Sport, wheras the 182 Cup was just a badging exercise

In my opinion there's no point going for a 182 Cup over a 182 Sport with the optional Cup suspension.

Rich D

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I've had both and the Clio was more fun to drive, just as quick up to a tonne and cheaper to run, not as well built, but it's a cheaper car.

The Civic has one major let down... the EPS ruins the driving experience

Rich D

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No it's not

The 172 mk1 weighs more than the Cup, the Cup is faster 0-60 & 0-100, the mk1 has a longer ratio'd gearbox which doesn't help performance, less low & mid range pull and the Cup handles better from the factory, I've driven both extensively on both road & track.

Terminator X

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Go for the 182 Trophy, awesome car. Some say even better than cars many times more expensive. Down to the expensive suspension installed as standard ... allegedly 10x more expensive than that on a standard 182.

http://www.allvehicles.co.uk/164.jpg

TX.

Rokerlad

I had a 172 Cup, one of the best cars I've had fun wise but build quality was shocking on it ( which I could forgive it for ) . Definitly an old school hot hatch.

bluenose172

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I now own a Clio 172 Cup(slightly modded), one of the best cars I've owned, had a CTR, hated it, don't bother going there!

As corrected by Rich-D, the Mk1 IS heavier and IS slower than the 172 Cup.

Also, never missed ABS, but never having engaged ABS in my other cars in the last 7 years, didn't think I ever would.(yes, yes, I'm touching wood!)

Danlp6

i never came across a 172 cup that was quicker than mine. my mistake its 15kg's heavier.

andythejock01wrx

Cheers Talizman. Haven't driven either, but almost tried out the CTR until I ultimately went for the Scoob. Good to hear different views.