VXR Vs Typre R Vs ST
01 July 2006, 09:03 PM
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VXR Vs Typre R Vs ST
Going back to a hot hatch again, and these are the three which I like,
Have owned a Type R before, can get 15% off the VXR and have no expirience with the ST, Fords didnt even have one to look at yesterday
Will be coming from a bug WRX
Any views on which would be best, and any background on ANY of the three would be great
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Have owned a Type R before, can get 15% off the VXR and have no expirience with the ST, Fords didnt even have one to look at yesterday
Will be coming from a bug WRX
Any views on which would be best, and any background on ANY of the three would be great
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01 July 2006, 09:25 PM
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01 July 2006, 09:57 PM
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I still think the Type R is hard to beat. Ford and Vauxhall may be newer but for performance and handling ther CTR would have the edge. Buy second hand (up to a year old) and you will lose very little
01 July 2006, 10:14 PM
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still 3 - 4 month wait on any ordered focus ST you might get lucky if you ring around a few dealers and find a cancelled order, so if you need one quick that will be your best bet. but dont expect much if any discount.
VXR faster has the performance edge but is not meant to be as good as an all round car.
No experience of Type R here, as i like my turbo cars too much.
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VXR faster has the performance edge but is not meant to be as good as an all round car.
No experience of Type R here, as i like my turbo cars too much.
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02 July 2006, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Jan 07 apparently and you can put deposits down at Honda dealers now.
If it loks anything like the other new Civics about then no thanks, they are horrid
02 July 2006, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by StudentScooby
VXR is quite heavy ay 1705kgs
it even makes going to work a joy
go for the ctr just for looks and handling not to keen on the sts orange look
the vauxhall m dunno the last one was prone to nacking valve stem oil seals so what stops the new one from doing that
atleast with the honda people know they are reliable
02 July 2006, 03:14 PM
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Although i like the CTR i think its a poor relation to the DC5 Integra type R
216bhp and 1170kg - get some nice graphics and a racing dynamic wheels - a nice touring car replica
216bhp and 1170kg - get some nice graphics and a racing dynamic wheels - a nice touring car replica
02 July 2006, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
If you are looking at that class of hatchbacks, don't discount the Megane 225 Trophy!
Not keen of the styling of the Megane, checked out Hondas website last night and the new Type R looks fantastic.
03 July 2006, 08:14 AM
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Get the VXR . I went from a ITR to bugeye,to blobeye to the VXR and teh VXR i have found to be the best. Quickest on autocar's 0-100-0, both 5th gear and top gear and the ring. (i think the meganne may have been 0.5 secs quicker on top gear.)
The car is very good indeed, well sorted chassis, excellent handling and superb acceleration.
. I went from a ITR to bugeye,to blobeye to the VXR and teh VXR i have found to be the best. Quickest on autocar's 0-100-0, both 5th gear and top gear and the ring. (i think the meganne may have been 0.5 secs quicker on top gear.) The car is very good indeed, well sorted chassis, excellent handling and superb acceleration.
03 July 2006, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by VXRBOY
Get the VXR . I went from a ITR to bugeye,to blobeye to the VXR and teh VXR i have found to be the best. Quickest on autocar's 0-100-0, both 5th gear and top gear and the ring. (i think the meganne may have been 0.5 secs quicker on top gear.)
The car is very good indeed, well sorted chassis, excellent handling and superb acceleration.
. I went from a ITR to bugeye,to blobeye to the VXR and teh VXR i have found to be the best. Quickest on autocar's 0-100-0, both 5th gear and top gear and the ring. (i think the meganne may have been 0.5 secs quicker on top gear.) The car is very good indeed, well sorted chassis, excellent handling and superb acceleration.
Thanks for that, do you find it a problem getting the power down though, when the roads are a bit damp/wet?
03 July 2006, 08:42 AM
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Yeh its not as sure footed in the wet as a scooby, but you can acheive oversteer understeer by using the gas correctly, it takes a little time but it is great handling, more fun to drive in my opinion.
03 July 2006, 09:47 AM
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Could you afford to stretch to a Golf GTi? They're supposed to be very good. Or maybe a vRS Octavia, though that may be a tad large, I guess...
03 July 2006, 10:39 AM
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VXR is excellent, I tried the ST and VXR, and went for the VXR as its a proper hot hatch, its not trying to be all things to all people (althou the ST was an excellent car).
Couldnt stand another VTEC car, VXR has 237BHP and 236 lb/ft torque, a well balanced engine, and it makes the car great fun to drive, you have a good surge of acceleration, as opposed to that waitng for things to happen in a small VTEC band.
As someone who has had 4 VTEC cars, including an ITR and S2000, id say dont look at the Honda, get one of the others, the games moved on.
Getting the power down with the VXR take good balance of the throttle, but in Sport mode its very sensitive, and easy to balance the car nicely on the throttle.
My only complaint is that it really requires one of the £500 remaps to smooth the power out (gives it 260 odd BHP to boot), its a bit surgy as standard, so ill get around to doing that.
Otherwise, build quality, looks, and performance all seem good, not Golf or Audi level, but then neither is the price, for the money its a hell of a lot of hot hatch.
Couldnt stand another VTEC car, VXR has 237BHP and 236 lb/ft torque, a well balanced engine, and it makes the car great fun to drive, you have a good surge of acceleration, as opposed to that waitng for things to happen in a small VTEC band.
As someone who has had 4 VTEC cars, including an ITR and S2000, id say dont look at the Honda, get one of the others, the games moved on.
Getting the power down with the VXR take good balance of the throttle, but in Sport mode its very sensitive, and easy to balance the car nicely on the throttle.
My only complaint is that it really requires one of the £500 remaps to smooth the power out (gives it 260 odd BHP to boot), its a bit surgy as standard, so ill get around to doing that.
Otherwise, build quality, looks, and performance all seem good, not Golf or Audi level, but then neither is the price, for the money its a hell of a lot of hot hatch.
03 July 2006, 11:14 AM
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The Golf is very nice, I thought about one, but having had a VAG car (Audi A3), I felt the driving experience was a little lacking.
Very capable cars, but doesnt have the excitement of some of the other hatches, it offsets that by being the more grown up car of the bunch. Depends what you want really.
Perfect if you want that extra bit of luxury and refinement, but not quite the more raw hot hatch that the VXR is.
Very capable cars, but doesnt have the excitement of some of the other hatches, it offsets that by being the more grown up car of the bunch. Depends what you want really.
Perfect if you want that extra bit of luxury and refinement, but not quite the more raw hot hatch that the VXR is.
03 July 2006, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SideShowBob
VXR is excellent, I tried the ST and VXR, and went for the VXR as its a proper hot hatch, its not trying to be all things to all people (althou the ST was an excellent car).
Couldnt stand another VTEC car, VXR has 237BHP and 236 lb/ft torque, a well balanced engine, and it makes the car great fun to drive, you have a good surge of acceleration, as opposed to that waitng for things to happen in a small VTEC band.
As someone who has had 4 VTEC cars, including an ITR and S2000, id say dont look at the Honda, get one of the others, the games moved on.
Getting the power down with the VXR take good balance of the throttle, but in Sport mode its very sensitive, and easy to balance the car nicely on the throttle.
My only complaint is that it really requires one of the £500 remaps to smooth the power out (gives it 260 odd BHP to boot), its a bit surgy as standard, so ill get around to doing that.
Otherwise, build quality, looks, and performance all seem good, not Golf or Audi level, but then neither is the price, for the money its a hell of a lot of hot hatch.
Couldnt stand another VTEC car, VXR has 237BHP and 236 lb/ft torque, a well balanced engine, and it makes the car great fun to drive, you have a good surge of acceleration, as opposed to that waitng for things to happen in a small VTEC band.
As someone who has had 4 VTEC cars, including an ITR and S2000, id say dont look at the Honda, get one of the others, the games moved on.
Getting the power down with the VXR take good balance of the throttle, but in Sport mode its very sensitive, and easy to balance the car nicely on the throttle.
My only complaint is that it really requires one of the £500 remaps to smooth the power out (gives it 260 odd BHP to boot), its a bit surgy as standard, so ill get around to doing that.
Otherwise, build quality, looks, and performance all seem good, not Golf or Audi level, but then neither is the price, for the money its a hell of a lot of hot hatch.
Thats the second excellent review for the Astra, albeit from two owners
With the large discount available to me on the Vauxhall and the rather long waiting list, its looking likely the Astra is coming out on top, just trying to find a garage that has a demo
03 July 2006, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cookstar
Thats the second excellent review for the Astra, albeit from two owners
With the large discount available to me on the Vauxhall and the rather long waiting list, its looking likely the Astra is coming out on top, just trying to find a garage that has a demo
With the large discount available to me on the Vauxhall and the rather long waiting list, its looking likely the Astra is coming out on top, just trying to find a garage that has a demo
Autocar raved about it this week - it destroyed the Focus ST.
come on fella - what sort of discount????
03 July 2006, 11:39 AM
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True, but we only became owners because we thought the VXR was that good
A lot of garages should have demos, what I found with the one I demo'd was that they used 95 ron petrol in it all the time (real muppet saleman was using it as his every day car), and it does make a massive difference with regards performance.
When I picked mine up, they had kindly given me half a tank of 95 in that too, and after using optimax for a few tanks, performance was noticeably smoother and better, just somethign to keep in mind whe trying a demo.
A lot of garages should have demos, what I found with the one I demo'd was that they used 95 ron petrol in it all the time (real muppet saleman was using it as his every day car), and it does make a massive difference with regards performance.
When I picked mine up, they had kindly given me half a tank of 95 in that too, and after using optimax for a few tanks, performance was noticeably smoother and better, just somethign to keep in mind whe trying a demo.
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Originally Posted by The Chief
Autocar raved about it this week - it destroyed the Focus ST.
come on fella - what sort of discount????
come on fella - what sort of discount????
16%
What is the list price for these?