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Old May 14, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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thinking about buying either a megane 225 cup or a leon cupra r.
has anyone got any pros and cons for me before i put my money where mi mouth is .
ive drove a leon before thought there were quite impressive not drove a 225 yet .
just a bit worried cos both cars value seem to tumble
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Old May 14, 2006 | 08:13 PM
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Leon cupra R every day of the week
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Old May 14, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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id take the megane ,lcr was in top gears top ten of worst understeering cars a few years ago,alongside such greats as daewoos and protons,it was the best of the ten but even so just to be in the test was extremely embaresing,and its only gonna get worse the more power you add .Imo they are one trick ponies ,i.e motorway duelling,anything that requires traction is a no no.
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Old May 14, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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Yep deffinitely ,i didnt see it on the tv,i dont know if it was on the show or not ,i read it from the top gear magazine in morrisons.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 09:46 AM
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I have a few jpegs of a EVO test of a LCR vs. Megane 225, PM me your email address and I'll send it you.

But the review ends with.... "Anyone who needs to upsize from the brilliant Clio 182 might think that the Megane 225 was the obvious choice, but if its the same thrills you're after, sadly it isn't. And it's a good job I'm not a betting man, because the Leon Cupra R, although less than flawless, is the better driver's car by some margin, and more affordable, too."

IMO the Megane is a decent car, but seating position is far too high and that interior is just shocking, yes, the Cupra R interior is no oil painting, but is a much nicer place to be.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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LCR if it was my money. For me the megane just doesnt do it
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Old May 15, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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I would imagine the Seat but there is a best motoring vid about with the std 225 megane (not cup or trophy) against a new Teg (stared futher back thean the rest), couple of Golf GTi`s (one with DSG) Astra 2ltr etc and it does very well...finishing 2nd to the Teg when the it did an amazingly late brake in to the penultimate corner. Was surprised just how well it handled...

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http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...03B6605EDE.htm

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Old May 15, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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What about a CTR? I've driven the 225 cup and the interior is awful, cheap, plastically and dull. I haven't driven a LCR but had a few run ins with them in my CTR, they quick in a straight line but on track the CTR shines. The VTEC engine will probably outlive you. If you want any info on the CTR let me know as ive had mine 14months so far. Probably upgrading to an 05 STI PPP in October though.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark1983
.... they (LCR) quick in a straight line but on track the CTR shines.
Hardly.......

Originally Posted by Mitchy260
... CTR came 1st in 1:32.8 closely followed by LCR in 2nd at 1:32.9.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:24 PM
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Twistier track CTR would probably be a little bit better off
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Twistier track CTR would probably be a little bit better off
Maybe agree, but I have never been able to see why people say a CTR would hand a LCR its *** round a track, this just does not happen. I have been on a track in my LCR and no CTR handed me my ***.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by chris n`nic
That Astra is impressive in the corners... seeing as its only the 2.0 Turbo SRi, some drivers seemed more brave than others... cracking watch though.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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No Brainer , Leon Cupra R every time.

Better engine , better handling , better gearbox , better made and best of all it isn`t French !.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 03:59 PM
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That EVO comparison was made against the old 225: there's been two suspension revisions since then, and EVO seem to like the new one.

Only one answer: test drive both and go with what suits you. They're both competent cars, and both'll make you grin.

Oh, and for goodness' sake, don't pay anywhere near list for the renault: you can get 'em dirt cheap brand new by all accounts.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Spankathon
Maybe agree, but I have never been able to see why people say a CTR would hand a LCR its *** round a track, this just does not happen. I have been on a track in my LCR and no CTR handed me my ***.
None of the currrent crop of hot hatches will **** over one another, the differences are too small . Its driver skill at the end of the day.

Back to original post, the LCR is a better all round car, the 225 will depreciate like a stone in water and the quality is not up to that of a VAG Group car.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 10:14 PM
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test drove a megane225 last month.
is pretty quick but absolutely soulless to drive.no noise no nothing.fast but boring
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Old May 15, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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What about the new focus ST? better than both the LCR and Megan
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Old May 15, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by treehack
test drove a megane225 last month.
is pretty quick but absolutely soulless to drive.no noise no nothing.fast but boring
Yeah I agree with ^^^
My CTR wants to rev all day, everyday where as I felt the 225 just put up with it and as its French will eventually surrender (under the stress of being driven hard).
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Old May 16, 2006 | 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark1983
Yeah I agree with ^^^
My CTR wants to rev all day, everyday where as I felt the 225 just put up with it and as its French will eventually surrender (under the stress of being driven hard).
obviously totally different engine tho...The CTR is supposed to be reved to get the most out of it....if you were revving the 225 then you weren`t getting the best out of it imo as it`s peak power ond torque would be pretty low.

Chris
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Old May 16, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mg driver
id take the megane ,lcr was in top gears top ten of worst understeering cars a few years ago,alongside such greats as daewoos and protons,it was the best of the ten but even so just to be in the test was extremely embaresing,and its only gonna get worse the more power you add .Imo they are one trick ponies ,i.e motorway duelling,anything that requires traction is a no no.
The Leon Cupra understeers! LCR suffers from very little understeer
LCR suffers from lift off oversteer though so keep ESP on when on public roads



I paid full list price for my LCR and put 53k miles on it in just over 2.5years. sold for £10,500. sold so Bl**dy quickly could have got a wee bit more I think!
So I think they hold there money pretty well...
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Old May 16, 2006 | 01:15 PM
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Leon cupra R every day of the week
Gotta agree. Not owned either, but the LCR seems to me a modern day VW Golf GTi (which is a good thing). I still have a nagging doubt about the build quality & life span of most French cars
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Old May 16, 2006 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spark666
What about the new focus ST? better than both the LCR and Megan
drove a ST the same day as the renault.much much better.sounds ok gotta a little hint of bad boy burble on the over run.vast improvement interior wise as well.good build quality and spec.big downside was the 16-24 week wait.

then i drove a sti
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Originally Posted by treehack
drove a ST the same day as the renault.much much better.sounds ok gotta a little hint of bad boy burble on the over run.vast improvement interior wise as well.good build quality and spec.big downside was the 16-24 week wait.

then i drove a sti
Personally i would get an RS over the ST
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