LG John

Disclaimer - if you don't like vehicle comparison threads I advise you to read no further as this will be of zero interest to you

Since I got the Honda I've always wondered how it would compare to a UK sti (non-ppp) and despite having a fairly good idea you never really know until you get a run at one.

Tonight, I found myself behind one at the last set of lights leading onto a long straight, slightly uphill, on the bypass. I probably made my intentions pretty clear when I raised my roof on a perfectly sunny spring evening whilst sitting at the lights - I didn't want to give away any advantage

The lights changes and at about 30mph the BMW in front of the STI moved over and the road was ours for 100s of metres into the distance. He nailed it which presented something of a problem as 30mph is the S2000s dead zone between 1st gear and being off-vtec in 2nd. I lost an instant 2 car lengths until I switched onto the upper lobes where thereafter we sat the same distance appart through the gears. This run highlighted the importance of driving the S2000 at 10/10ths as the low grunt of a turbo car was truely devistating when I was off-vtec but I was pleased to match the STI once up and running.

We got caught behind a van that had moved to overtake a JCB and slowed to approximately 60mph so I dropped to 3rd gear. When the road cleared the STI again went for it and moved into the 'slow' lane at the earliest oppertunity thereby playing the 'pass me if you can'card. The answer was, of course, no! However, I was amazed to note that I was definately a bawhair quicker on the move and through 3rd and 4th gears creeped up alongside. If the road and the law allowed i might have even put my nose in front on the far side of 140mph but nevertheless I was impressed that the S2000 had the legs, albeit, very little ones

As you know my car does have an exhaust system but the STI did have an aftermarket exhaust. Judging by the lack of noise I'd guess it was just the backbox and not a full-decat so I expect it gives him negligable/if any gains.

Driver for driver and standard for standard I'd expect the STI to be a fraction quicker below 60mph and obviously markedly quicker if a launch was involved but pretty much neck and neck thereafter. It also goes without saying that in the twisties the S2000 has to ensure it remains in vtec all the time or the mid-range of the scooby will punish it

Got a friendly flash of the lights and never found the other drivers behaviour unpredictable or threatening in any way

I have no interest in a s2000 vs sti heated debate. This is only a recollection of what happened on this occassion. If you really want to argue with me search 'Saxo Boy' and 'S2000' and you'll find plenty of my opinion on the matter

Dark Blue Mark

How come you had the roof down?

MB

LG John

Bloody hell that was a quick response! I had the roof down because there isn't a named storm outside and because I'm not a ******* that drives around with exhaust silencers in and a hard top

alloy

Good stuff might have expected the S2000 to nudge ahead as the speed gathers, such as past 70mph.

LG John

Am I correct in my recollection that blobeye sti uk's have 260bhp as standard and that the PPP'd versions have 300bhp? This would explain how I was managing to creep up on him if he only had 20bhp more but 200kg more to carry and more diffs to turn

Dark Blue Mark

Thats a fair come back

But I have taken the silencers out now

The PPP allegedly has 305 bhp but they very very rarely make that on any dyno worth its salt. I organised a dyno day at WRC and one of them just about got there after about 10 runs

The EVO's made their power, curiously

MB

robertdon777

There shouldn't be much difference between them once rolling as they are very close in terms of power/weight etc. Most performance cars CTR, S2000, LCR, VXR, ST, STi (std) even WRX will be very similar when acclerating from that kind of speed if each is in the correct gear to start with. If you look at most of their Qtr mile times theres not a huge difference in them, 4wd obviously helps the scoobs in that respect if launched hard.

I had a similar run against a Nissan 350z (280bhp) in my UK (std) Turbo (215bhp) and i thought it would walk off into the distance, he gained about 1/2 a car length over about 150 - 200m.

You need a good 300bhp+ to start really pulling away from most of these hot hatches, S2000, WRX's etc. now.

Rob

RB5_245

I would have to be surprised if that wasn't a PPP'd car you were chasing. Lighter weight + lack of 4wd power loss would be quite in your favour.

LG John

Mucho agree I work to a rule of thumb that you need 100hp more to walk away from something. Obviously its a fairly 'vauge' rull but a 343bhp M3 will destroy a 215bhp scooby but struggle to humiliate an STI PPP which the likes of an Evo FQ400 would, etc.

Not had a run with an Nissan 350z, which is along with the RX8 seen as something of a rival for my car. They seem to be as rare as rockinghorse sh*t around my way.

I also agree there seems to be a bunching of performance cars that all have similar attributes. I'm too young to remember but I gather it never used to be this way and that buying a cossie back in the 80s was a ticket do wave bye-bye to anthing that wasn't a lotus carlton, 911 or ferrari. More consumer choice nowadays I guess :shrug:

LG John

No way to know unless the owner is a SN'tter. He had a private '555' plate if anyone knows of him I doubt it would be PPP'd though as it would seem pretty silly to spend that money on the PPP pack, which IIRC includes an exhaust, and then change it to another system. Only serial part-swappers like banksy do that

Dracoro

I've got 50bhp less than you & I bet I'd walk away from ya For most performance road cars though, you're about right I'd say. Probably more so if it was 100bhp power to weight kg rather than 100bhp.

john banks

My car is entirely standard Saxo Boy

And for sale

LG John

Would you care to list every modification you made to your MY00 scooby?

Going for the Evo?

john banks

Need to get rid of this over-rated, torqueless, tractionless clutter anyway! Or give it to the wife

crazyman1979

My boss has both and he has driven each one against the other with his missus driving the other, his opinion is that the sti is fast but not a lot, although the s2000 has to work a lot harder to keep up.
Im waiting for TSL333 vs S2000 just out of interest.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Sorry, just shivering due to an overwhelming sense of Deja-Vous ?

Anyone else felt it ?

matchmaker

Only limp-wristed nancy boys drive a soft top with the lid up unless it's pouring with rain

Unless you're racing someone, in which case putting the lid up reduces drag

Dark Blue Mark

How about if its a Mugen one?



Lid ON is the mans choice

MB

alloy

Mans choice isn't a posers car, we prefer fixed roof, windows up, AC on

big MO

I wonder if anyone'll race me on a private road?

Dark Blue Mark

I might

Kenny - shhhh



MB

Dracoro

That's a super car there Mark. Bet you'll charge past anyone

Dark Blue Mark

I will confess now that ive taken it off

MB

LG John

Probably not no - unless you wear a prancing horse its hardly worth trying

LMAO @ the supercharger pic - you'd probably still struggle against an RS6 though!

john banks

Why did you remove it MB?

Dark Blue Mark

Bit of a long story John...

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...ic=325803&st=0

Bought the kit for a good price after doing much research. I got it all fitted, with a couple of hiccups. Its an amazingly designed bit of kit and fits so well, but my circumstances didnt really suit in the end.

Its my daily driver and although the kit is reliable, 350 bhp is a big hike from 240. I also came to realise that using the supplied rising rate FPR and timing management, was a very hard part to fit, and the alternative was an AEM (GEMS ish) ECU and you try find anyone that could map it! That was another £1500 and I ran out of patience and took it off So I never actually ran it!

Maybe another day soon....

MB

jjones

if you were in the faster civic type r then you may have done a lot better.

LG John

Huh? CTRs aren't faster than S2000s. Fairly close though.

Dark Blue Mark

Wind up I think Kenny.

We have 40 bhp over the CTR

MB

jjones

the video evidence points to the CTR being quicker.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...vs+ctr&pl=true