Cayman as fast as an STi?
29 March 2006, 06:25 PM
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Cayman as fast as an STi?
Is it? Both have circa 300 BHP and similar weight. Does that mean a Cayman has as much grunt as a PPP STi? If so then why does everyone go on about the car being underpowered?
29 March 2006, 07:10 PM
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It would be much quicker than the STI imaine by some margin. The Cayman is almost as quick as a GT3 around the top gear test track, hardly science but it demontrates it's abilities at least.
Stats are hardly be all and end all, but for comparison:
Cayman
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 12 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.7 s @ 105 mph
Top Speed - 171 mph
Scooby STI PPP
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 13.2 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.9 s @ 99 mph
Top Speed - 155 mph
Would be interested in comparing WHP if anyone knows the drive train loss of each ?
Stats are hardly be all and end all, but for comparison:
Cayman
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 12 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.7 s @ 105 mph
Top Speed - 171 mph
Scooby STI PPP
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 13.2 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.9 s @ 99 mph
Top Speed - 155 mph
Would be interested in comparing WHP if anyone knows the drive train loss of each ?
29 March 2006, 07:21 PM
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Times for Top Gear test track -
Cayman 1:26.2 (911 Carrera S 1:28.9, GT3 1:27.2 & GT3 RS 1:22.3)
WR1 1:29.4 (STi 1:30.1, EVO VIII 1:28.9 & FQ400 1:24.8)
Some 'ring times -
Spec C 8:06 (Spec C "prototype" 7:59)
Cayman S 8:11
Cayman 1:26.2 (911 Carrera S 1:28.9, GT3 1:27.2 & GT3 RS 1:22.3)
WR1 1:29.4 (STi 1:30.1, EVO VIII 1:28.9 & FQ400 1:24.8)
Some 'ring times -
Spec C 8:06 (Spec C "prototype" 7:59)
Cayman S 8:11
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29 March 2006, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ewanrw
yeah, makes sense - 5s seems a big gap for a few kgs and a bit of power (?)
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29 March 2006, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Contigo
Who cares the Cayman looks far better than any Sti!
If I was paying a extra £25k over a STi then I would expect it to be better!
29 March 2006, 09:44 PM
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It looks better, goes better, stops better, had better paint, has a better interoir.......it's just better!
It's also a premium brand which I know some of you like.
I guess you could liken a Cayman to Warstiener and the Sti to Tesco value larger.
It's also a premium brand which I know some of you like.
I guess you could liken a Cayman to Warstiener and the Sti to Tesco value larger.
29 March 2006, 10:27 PM
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Scooby STI PPP
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 13.2 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.9 s @ 99 mph
Top Speed - 155 mph
hmm something is wrong here lol The sti ppp must be quicker than that up the strip if it does 0-100 in 13.2
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 13.2 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.9 s @ 99 mph
Top Speed - 155 mph
hmm something is wrong here lol The sti ppp must be quicker than that up the strip if it does 0-100 in 13.2
29 March 2006, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ClioWilliams
Scooby STI PPP
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 13.2 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.9 s @ 99 mph
Top Speed - 155 mph
hmm something is wrong here lol The sti ppp must be quicker than that up the strip if it does 0-100 in 13.2
0-60 mph - 5.1
0-100 mph - 13.2 seconds
1/4 Mile - 13.9 s @ 99 mph
Top Speed - 155 mph
hmm something is wrong here lol The sti ppp must be quicker than that up the strip if it does 0-100 in 13.2
29 March 2006, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobyboy1
Ive done a 13.9 in my 04 WRX with just a backbox and centre cat removed.
29 March 2006, 11:06 PM
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STis nowadays are just marketing. An O6 STi is nothing special as is on 05, 04 etc etc. They've cottoned onto marketing them better, that's all.
They're 265-300hp, fairly heavy, 4wd saloon cars. They're good, but they're not sportscars. Only reason people think they're very quick is they flatter poor drivers.
6-7 years ago, STis were quick. Now they're nothing special, as has been the case with Subaru, other manufacturers have moved on and Subaru haven't.
They're 265-300hp, fairly heavy, 4wd saloon cars. They're good, but they're not sportscars. Only reason people think they're very quick is they flatter poor drivers.
6-7 years ago, STis were quick. Now they're nothing special, as has been the case with Subaru, other manufacturers have moved on and Subaru haven't.
30 March 2006, 12:14 AM
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What is to compare, they are totally different cars, one based on a 4 door family car and the other is a 2 seater sports car.
About as pointless as comparing a Mondeo to an MX5
About as pointless as comparing a Mondeo to an MX5
30 March 2006, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CraigH
STis nowadays are just marketing. An O6 STi is nothing special as is on 05, 04 etc etc. They've cottoned onto marketing them better, that's all.
They're 265-300hp, fairly heavy, 4wd saloon cars. They're good, but they're not sportscars. Only reason people think they're very quick is they flatter poor drivers.
6-7 years ago, STis were quick. Now they're nothing special, as has been the case with Subaru, other manufacturers have moved on and Subaru haven't.
They're 265-300hp, fairly heavy, 4wd saloon cars. They're good, but they're not sportscars. Only reason people think they're very quick is they flatter poor drivers.
6-7 years ago, STis were quick. Now they're nothing special, as has been the case with Subaru, other manufacturers have moved on and Subaru haven't.
30 March 2006, 07:10 AM
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2nd Craig's opinion.
Its great Subaru brought Sti's to the masses, but in doing so diluted the essence of what made them special, but taking out the hard edge to them and softening them a little for the UK market.
Its a compromise I suppose as not everyone what's a hardcore motor to drive as an every day car.
Its great Subaru brought Sti's to the masses, but in doing so diluted the essence of what made them special, but taking out the hard edge to them and softening them a little for the UK market.
Its a compromise I suppose as not everyone what's a hardcore motor to drive as an every day car.
30 March 2006, 08:08 AM
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The stats for the STI PPP were from www.fastsaloons.com. The Stats for the Cayman details are from here: http://www.globalcar.com/datasheet/P...cheCaymanS.htm