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Similar thread - but How reliable are high mileage VAG diesels?
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Seems I have to get a new car so was looking at a VAG diesel. Golf or Passat, 96/99 type age. Most of these at the prices I'll be able to afford will almost certainly be high mileage. Like 80K plus. Now I know the engines go on for ever, and I will be looking at many other sources of info vefore I buy, but what do people on here think of cars of this age with this many miles?
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Seems I have to get a new car so was looking at a VAG diesel. Golf or Passat, 96/99 type age. Most of these at the prices I'll be able to afford will almost certainly be high mileage. Like 80K plus. Now I know the engines go on for ever, and I will be looking at many other sources of info vefore I buy, but what do people on here think of cars of this age with this many miles?
Cheers
Dave
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Mate bought an R reg TDi passat, turbo blew the first day, he got it fixed, then clutch went, ! Hes had no end of probs with it, despite it being in apparently good nick, with FSH.....maybe he was just unlucky...
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A friend had a T-reg Passat TDi 90 estate a few years ago. It had 140k on it when he sold it and it had only ever had service parts - still on its original exhaust, clutch etc. Hard to believe but true!
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Like i said on the another thread..VAG's do have a few funny foibles that seem to set in 80k+...Not that there is anything wrong mechanically,apart from the odd diff going,but turbo and electrical gremlins seem to be there downfall in my experience.All pretty pricey too.
Turbo's around £900 fitted........done these at less than 30k mileage!!
Heater blower fan £250
Gearbox...recon £750
Aux belt tensioner £200 fitted..
AFM £200 fitted
AC probs..usually £400+
Indicator stalks £100.
These probs are common faults..I have done loads of them,im not saying one,all or any will go faulty on any car that you buy..But the faults are out there..
Turbo's around £900 fitted........done these at less than 30k mileage!!
Heater blower fan £250
Gearbox...recon £750
Aux belt tensioner £200 fitted..
AFM £200 fitted
AC probs..usually £400+
Indicator stalks £100.
These probs are common faults..I have done loads of them,im not saying one,all or any will go faulty on any car that you buy..But the faults are out there..
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Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
80k is hardly high mileage on todays cars.
I would expect a looked-after VAG TDi to cover 200k without major problems.
One of the first cars I drove was an Audi 80 2.0 petrol which had covered 250k by the time it was replaced. Had a new clutch at 180k, but other than that it was only minor items. Was replaced with a petrol Audi A4 which is now on 160k+, running faultlessly - still on first clutch etc.
I think if you buy a car which has covered a high-mileage over a short period you should be fine. Ie ex-fleet cars, 3years old with say 125k motorway miles should be good runners and have loads of life left in them. On the other hand however clearly a lot of people are well aware of this, and as a result high-mile VAG cars tend to still fetch strong money - so in some cases you may be better off paying a little more for a low-mileage example.
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The old 90/110bhp Tdi seems to be the most bullit proof version.
In an Octavia taxi the other night that had done 290k miles and mostly around town. . One brother uses the car during the day shift and the other on night shift.
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In an Octavia taxi the other night that had done 290k miles and mostly around town. . One brother uses the car during the day shift and the other on night shift.
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OK. Decided finally on a Passat estate diesel. Would like a 130 Sport 'cos of all the toys. Not test driven yet but looks clean, starts well, etc etc FSH and all that. 116K miles and they will replace the cam belt for the price - just under 6K. Price is about right for the mileage according to Parkers.
It has 4 good tyres, the things I checked out all work. Clean and tidy.
So, what to look for apart from the obvious??? What gremlins to watch out for?
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Dave
It has 4 good tyres, the things I checked out all work. Clean and tidy.
So, what to look for apart from the obvious??? What gremlins to watch out for?
Thanks
Dave
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Brave guy..
Check all the electrical stuff i mentioned before in the previous posts,also check the central locking operates correctly on all doors,Had a passat saloon in on Monday,99 T plate,done 120k,had 2 motors faulty,cost best part of £300 to get it right.
To recap.....
Aircon..make sure it all works correctly..no exceptions
Heater blower fan...smooth in operation,no noises
Indicator stalk,no slack in the arm,make sure it "centres" after turning the wheel.
No noise at all from gearbox,listen for grumble under acceleration and deceleration.
Turbo..hard to check for there main fault,which is the wastegate pack.The fault will manifest itself in the turbo overboosting and the ECU going into "limp home" mode.Usualy under hard acceleration uphill or on the motorway.
AFM fault..This will usually show a fault of the car bein sluggish and sometimes a feel of no "top end" power.
AUX belt tensioner..Listen for unusual noises while engine running,look and listen down the front of the engine,between rad and cambelt cover.Grinding or dry bearing sound is bad news
Central locking..just check they all work,inc on the key fob.
HTH
Check all the electrical stuff i mentioned before in the previous posts,also check the central locking operates correctly on all doors,Had a passat saloon in on Monday,99 T plate,done 120k,had 2 motors faulty,cost best part of £300 to get it right.
To recap.....
Aircon..make sure it all works correctly..no exceptions
Heater blower fan...smooth in operation,no noises
Indicator stalk,no slack in the arm,make sure it "centres" after turning the wheel.
No noise at all from gearbox,listen for grumble under acceleration and deceleration.
Turbo..hard to check for there main fault,which is the wastegate pack.The fault will manifest itself in the turbo overboosting and the ECU going into "limp home" mode.Usualy under hard acceleration uphill or on the motorway.
AFM fault..This will usually show a fault of the car bein sluggish and sometimes a feel of no "top end" power.
AUX belt tensioner..Listen for unusual noises while engine running,look and listen down the front of the engine,between rad and cambelt cover.Grinding or dry bearing sound is bad news
Central locking..just check they all work,inc on the key fob.
HTH
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Originally Posted by fatscoobyfella
Indicator stalks £100.
These probs are common faults..I have done loads of them,im not saying one,all or any will go faulty on any car that you buy..But the faults are out there..
These probs are common faults..I have done loads of them,im not saying one,all or any will go faulty on any car that you buy..But the faults are out there..
Interested by that one. I never did any Indicator stalks on a VW. Indicators playing up / sticking on is due to the relay in the hazard switch. Did lots of Airbag slip rings though.
Maybe Im just good at my job
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Maybe Im just good at my job
The fault im describing has nothing to do with hazard switch or relay,the stalks i have changed are due to them falling apart,in extreme cases falling out of the column shroud altogether.
Maybe your not that good after all
Self appraisal is no appraisal at all..
Do you know who said that??
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Originally Posted by fatscoobyfella
Turbo..hard to check for there main fault,which is the wastegate pack.The fault will manifest itself in the turbo overboosting and the ECU going into "limp home" mode.Usualy under hard acceleration uphill or on the motorway.
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The VNT is a wastegate pack thats sits internally in the turbo housing.It uses a 360 degree series of blades to dump excess turbo pressure instead of the usual style valve that dumps pressure to exhaust.
The problem is the carbon build up,The VNT or wastegate pack is quite a complicated and intricate device,especially to sit internally in the turbo,and carbon build up clogs all the pivots for the blades,this makes them stick,so excess pressure cant be vented,this causes overboosting,the boost pressure sensor immediately senses this and puts the ECU in "limp home" mode.
Turbo then needs to be stripped and pack replaced at a minimum,but usually after 90k ish there is play in the impellor shaft bearing,so a recon unit is usually the cheapest way to go..
The problem is the carbon build up,The VNT or wastegate pack is quite a complicated and intricate device,especially to sit internally in the turbo,and carbon build up clogs all the pivots for the blades,this makes them stick,so excess pressure cant be vented,this causes overboosting,the boost pressure sensor immediately senses this and puts the ECU in "limp home" mode.
Turbo then needs to be stripped and pack replaced at a minimum,but usually after 90k ish there is play in the impellor shaft bearing,so a recon unit is usually the cheapest way to go..
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Reliable as any good engine, and will last as long as it been looked after, not ragged senseless, and when you get it carried on being looked after. Still doesnt mean components wont need replacing though, and if your really unlucky it will happen all at once!!
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Originally Posted by fatscoobyfella
Audi A4 TDi has the same turbo..97 on i think?
It isn't a massive problem just a known problem on high milers. A bit like the known Scooby engine probelms but less often.
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Hi Lee,
Turbo isnt just "high milers".As said in previous posts,ive done turbo's at less than 30k..And have heard about them less than that,although i have never replaced one at less than 29k..
Turbo isnt just "high milers".As said in previous posts,ive done turbo's at less than 30k..And have heard about them less than that,although i have never replaced one at less than 29k..
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Well, let the turbos fail then ..... :-) Just got myself a Passat Estate Sport 130 TDi. 95K miles. Cambelt done at 93 'cos the owner thought 'he'd better' .. just like he changed the oil every 3K miles instead of 12K. Replaced all the disks as they looked 'crap' ... Goes fine - everything works. Lovely car ..... I'll revisit the thread in 6 months to let you know how it goes ...
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