should i change my 03 sti for an m3 csl??
02 July 2005, 09:54 AM
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Need abit more info than that.
What will you use the car for, have you driven one.
Seats don't recline.
Etc etc
Very differant cars, so give us abit more info...
Steve
What will you use the car for, have you driven one.
Seats don't recline.
Etc etc
Very differant cars, so give us abit more info...
Steve
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02 July 2005, 10:44 AM
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Standard M3 is better Value.
Don't put your shopping in the boot.
There not really that fast. I bet a STi PPP is faster. A Standard M3 was just pulling away from a standard Focus RS, my RS (well, not enough to account for over 100 ponnies extra). When I had it Bluefin'd there was nothing much in it.
BMW couldn't shift all the CSL's they had planned to.
There's a write up in this month's issue of Evo, giving the pro's & con's, about the Tyre/wheel combinations.
Don't put your shopping in the boot.
There not really that fast. I bet a STi PPP is faster. A Standard M3 was just pulling away from a standard Focus RS, my RS (well, not enough to account for over 100 ponnies extra). When I had it Bluefin'd there was nothing much in it.
BMW couldn't shift all the CSL's they had planned to.
There's a write up in this month's issue of Evo, giving the pro's & con's, about the Tyre/wheel combinations.
02 July 2005, 10:58 AM
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B*llocks to value - any car that can lap Nurburgring in 7 mins 50secs gets my vote. To put that in perspective, that is faster than a 996 Turbo (7:56), 360 stradale (7:56), GT3 (7:52), Gallardo (7:52), Murcielago (7:52) and Mercedes SLR Mclaren (7:52) - none of which I think you could describe as a 'slow' car. So I'm not quite sure what that makes the CSL - certianly not slow - that's for sure.
Actually, thinking about it, it is pretty damn good value for money - given the cost of the other cars mentioned above - even at full retail price. Given that you can pick them up for 40Kish now, I think that represents something close to a bargin!
Actually, thinking about it, it is pretty damn good value for money - given the cost of the other cars mentioned above - even at full retail price. Given that you can pick them up for 40Kish now, I think that represents something close to a bargin!
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02 July 2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by stilover
Don't put your shopping in the boot.
02 July 2005, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by stilover
There not really that fast. I bet a STi PPP is faster. A Standard M3 was just pulling away from a standard Focus RS, my RS (well, not enough to account for over 100 ponnies extra). When I had it Bluefin'd there was nothing much in it.
And no, an STi PPP is not faster
02 July 2005, 11:06 AM
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If you can afford the CSL then go for it! Sport Mode alone is enough of a reason!
Comment re the standard M3 is a good one but if you let your heart rule your head then you'll still go with the CSL (lot of M3's around but I've only ever seen one CSL).
TX.
Comment re the standard M3 is a good one but if you let your heart rule your head then you'll still go with the CSL (lot of M3's around but I've only ever seen one CSL).
TX.
02 July 2005, 11:13 AM
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i have a company car which i use to commute e.t.c.
but in the evening and at the weekend the impreza is a play thing, so fuel consumption, tyre wear, noise, comfort e.t.c. does not bother me at all.
can you mod the csl much, exhaust e.t.c.?
but in the evening and at the weekend the impreza is a play thing, so fuel consumption, tyre wear, noise, comfort e.t.c. does not bother me at all.
can you mod the csl much, exhaust e.t.c.?
02 July 2005, 11:13 AM
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Exactly - to most people, you're just driving another 3 series beemer. To those in the know, you are driving a very special car. You should get a fair amount of respect for having the CSL badge on the back 
02 July 2005, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by marcyt21
i have a company car which i use to commute e.t.c.
but in the evening and at the weekend the impreza is a play thing, so fuel consumption, tyre wear, noise, comfort e.t.c. does not bother me at all.
can you mod the csl much, exhaust e.t.c.?
but in the evening and at the weekend the impreza is a play thing, so fuel consumption, tyre wear, noise, comfort e.t.c. does not bother me at all.
can you mod the csl much, exhaust e.t.c.?
AP or Stop Tech Brakes are then needed.
Then you are ready for action
I've just done backbox and brakes and it's more than enough for me
Can also do suspension etc.
02 July 2005, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by marcyt21
i have a company car which i use to commute e.t.c.
but in the evening and at the weekend the impreza is a play thing, so fuel consumption, tyre wear, noise, comfort e.t.c. does not bother me at all.
but in the evening and at the weekend the impreza is a play thing, so fuel consumption, tyre wear, noise, comfort e.t.c. does not bother me at all.
I prefer black myself, but looks good in silver as it compliments the carbon fibre. Only 20% in black, 80% in Silver
02 July 2005, 11:21 AM
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2 things is it as fast as people say, for example compared to an impreza sti ppp which i have now. i dont want a slower new car than what i already have!
and what does it handle like as i can only imagine going steady around the corners with rwd!
than what i already have!and what does it handle like as i can only imagine going steady around the corners with rwd!
02 July 2005, 11:27 AM
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It weighs less than a Spec C, and has 360bhp, so yes it's rather rapid.
Noise is amazing.
I had a 2002 STi, decat, remap. CSL would destroy it.
Trouble going around corners????????
Can lap Nurburgring in 7 mins 50secs so erm, no.....
However, don't expect to just jump in and become the stig, if you are not used to RWD and SMG than take it steady till you get used to it.
Noise is amazing.
I had a 2002 STi, decat, remap. CSL would destroy it.
Trouble going around corners????????
Can lap Nurburgring in 7 mins 50secs so erm, no.....
However, don't expect to just jump in and become the stig, if you are not used to RWD and SMG than take it steady till you get used to it.
02 July 2005, 11:31 AM
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Sure thing.
You will also get loads of help on the CSL forum on http://www.bm3w.co.uk
There are also some in the Sales Section, around 41k.
You will also get loads of help on the CSL forum on http://www.bm3w.co.uk
There are also some in the Sales Section, around 41k.
02 July 2005, 11:32 AM
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Fantastic cars - and I think in fact they are pretty good value, if you compare what it's rivals are.
I think some of it's time comes from the fact it is fitted with "R" compound tyres, which would make 10-15 secs difference.
That makes it a BTG tme of around 7.30.
Dave
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B*llocks to value - any car that can lap Nurburgring in 7 mins 50secs gets my vote. To put that in perspective, that is faster than a 996 Turbo (7:56), 360 stradale (7:56), GT3 (7:52), Gallardo (7:52), Murcielago (7:52) and Mercedes SLR Mclaren (7:52) - none of which I think you could describe as a 'slow' car. So I'm not quite sure what that makes the CSL - certianly not slow - that's for sure.
That makes it a BTG tme of around 7.30.
Dave
02 July 2005, 11:46 AM
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True enough, but the GT3 time quoted above was on 'sports tyres' too Still pretty damn impressive in my books. The point is that I don't really believe that you can say the M3 CSL 'is not that fast'.
Still pretty damn impressive in my books. The point is that I don't really believe that you can say the M3 CSL 'is not that fast'.
02 July 2005, 11:50 AM
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Cup tyres were indeed developed for the CSL.
Friend of mine of bm3w went to Driver Training at SPA. He told the instructor he was worried about using the cups in the wet. Later that evening it pored down, so instructor took out a CSL and lapped SPA quicker than my mate did in the dry!
Awesum tryes, even if they do only last 5 minutes
Friend of mine of bm3w went to Driver Training at SPA. He told the instructor he was worried about using the cups in the wet. Later that evening it pored down, so instructor took out a CSL and lapped SPA quicker than my mate did in the dry!
Awesum tryes, even if they do only last 5 minutes
02 July 2005, 11:57 AM
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Why does everyone quote times round the ring? That is a race track. We live in Britain, where roads are not smooth as a race track. All I was saying is that in the real world, with real drivers (not racing drivers) the STi PPP is faster. The CSL is not really any quicker than a standard M3 (as quoted in Evo & on Top Gear) Unless of course you stick them on a race track, then the CSL is faster. For that reason, that is why I said the M3 is better value. Just a quick in the real world, and it comes with a proper gear box !!!!!
As for not sticking things in the boot. The floor of the boot, is Cardboard, to reduce weight. Never seen it myself, but that's what they say.
I do understand, that the CSL is more desirable, but for every day use, I'd have the standard M3.
As for not sticking things in the boot. The floor of the boot, is Cardboard, to reduce weight. Never seen it myself, but that's what they say.
I do understand, that the CSL is more desirable, but for every day use, I'd have the standard M3.
02 July 2005, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
Why does everyone quote times round the ring? That is a race track. We live in Britain, where roads are not smooth as a race track. All I was saying is that in the real world, with real drivers (not racing drivers) the STi PPP is faster. The CSL is not really any quicker than a standard M3 (as quoted in Evo & on Top Gear) Unless of course you stick them on a race track, then the CSL is faster. For that reason, that is why I said the M3 is better value. Just a quick in the real world, and it comes with a proper gear box !!!!!
As for not sticking things in the boot. The floor of the boot, is Cardboard, to reduce weight. Never seen it myself, but that's what they say.
I do understand, that the CSL is more desirable, but for every day use, I'd have the standard M3.
As for not sticking things in the boot. The floor of the boot, is Cardboard, to reduce weight. Never seen it myself, but that's what they say.
I do understand, that the CSL is more desirable, but for every day use, I'd have the standard M3.
What is the real world? Traffic light GPs
Dave
02 July 2005, 12:13 PM
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Ring times are used because it is where most of these cars are developed. As Dave says - what would you rather quote? O-60 times? Please...
Also bear in mind that if you are thinking of buying one of the cars, I'd say you were an enthusiast and there would be a fair chance that you would take it on track, where you would really appreciate the quality and class of the car.
Also bear in mind that if you are thinking of buying one of the cars, I'd say you were an enthusiast and there would be a fair chance that you would take it on track, where you would really appreciate the quality and class of the car.