Anyone details on the forthcoming 3.0 Turbo Focus RS?
05 June 2005, 02:24 PM
#1
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Muppetising life
Posts: 15,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Anyone details on the forthcoming 3.0 Turbo Focus RS?
Was at the doctors the other day and saw it in a magazine. Only had enough time to read that it was coming in 2007 with 350Bhp and 4 wheel drive. Uses a 3.0 Turbo in-line 6. Did not even find out what mag it was in.
Anyone heard anymore about this? Sounds very promising to me.
Anyone heard anymore about this? Sounds very promising to me.
05 June 2005, 02:32 PM
#2
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Here, There, Everywhere
Posts: 10,619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If they build it, I'll eat my own hair.
Sick to death of Ford taking years & years to introduce a new model. Look at how long it took for the Mark 1 RS to come out. Saying that I really hope they do build it, cos as a Ford man, and ex Focus RS owner, I'll deffo buy one
STilover
Sick to death of Ford taking years & years to introduce a new model. Look at how long it took for the Mark 1 RS to come out. Saying that I really hope they do build it, cos as a Ford man, and ex Focus RS owner, I'll deffo buy one
STilover
05 June 2005, 02:59 PM
#4
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Muppetising life
Posts: 15,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
yeah, I think this could be its re-incarnation. Sounds very like the Cosworth they talked about in the past.
Surprised nobody has posted about this. I even did a Google on it, and it came up blank <shrug> It was probably in Autoexpress at some point.
Surprised nobody has posted about this. I even did a Google on it, and it came up blank <shrug> It was probably in Autoexpress at some point.
06 June 2005, 12:22 PM
#5
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Here, There, Everywhere
Posts: 10,619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ford sold Cosworth just a few months back.
They're not going to then buy a custom engine of the now new owners, when they have the Volvo T5 motor to but in the Focus. So no, there will never be another Ford Cosworth.
Even the Focus Ralley cars don't have Cosworth lumps. The engines are built by M-sport.
Magazines come up with s**t, when they have no other news to write about.
They're not going to then buy a custom engine of the now new owners, when they have the Volvo T5 motor to but in the Focus. So no, there will never be another Ford Cosworth.
Even the Focus Ralley cars don't have Cosworth lumps. The engines are built by M-sport.
Magazines come up with s**t, when they have no other news to write about.
06 June 2005, 12:34 PM
#6
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Muppetising life
Posts: 15,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Heard from someone else that the engine was to come from a Volvo. They have a straight 6 in the range that they are apparantly going to use for this project...or it could all be bull.....
Trending Topics
06 June 2005, 12:50 PM
#8
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It was in that fine Magazine 'Autocar'. It said that they were developing a 3 litre V6 with Volvo and that would indeed be the base. Article is here:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=215449
http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=215449
07 June 2005, 09:25 AM
#11
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Here, There, Everywhere
Posts: 10,619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Both Ford & Audi owned Cosworth.
Ford owned Cosworth Engines, Hence the tie with F1
Audi own Cosworth Technologies. It's up for sale. Cosworth Technologies tweeked the 2.7 BiTurbo motor out of the S4 to create the 380Bhp RS4.
With Audi's tie up with Lambo, the now don't need Cosworth.
Ford owned Cosworth Engines, Hence the tie with F1
Audi own Cosworth Technologies. It's up for sale. Cosworth Technologies tweeked the 2.7 BiTurbo motor out of the S4 to create the 380Bhp RS4.
With Audi's tie up with Lambo, the now don't need Cosworth.
07 June 2005, 09:35 AM
#12
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: house in a street on the earth
Posts: 1,028
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Gents
Bit of misconception here.
Focus RS is being developed. As is an ST version. Both are still TBD in terms of production but more than likely. Yes, there is a chnace that both will use the 5 pot Volvo engine fettled by Ford engineers, rather than building their own, as the Volvo one is pretty good anyway. However, the key thing is not necessarily who builds the engine but the rights to the name. And AFAIK this is still an option for Ford - thus a Cosworth could potentially be on the cards.
However, from a brand point of view, it is more than likely that the Cosowrth name (while rich in history) will not be used. It all comes down to marketing and Ford is a client of ours (as is Cosworth funnily enough), thus I think you'll see ST and RS as the premium brands.
Also, the plan is to use the blown lump as Ford like the thought of forced induction (again, its brand perception)... the 3-litre is, I think, incorrect. Then engine may be developed but if Ford conitnue in WRC, then there is the halo effect to be considered.
Hope this helps...
Bit of misconception here.
Focus RS is being developed. As is an ST version. Both are still TBD in terms of production but more than likely. Yes, there is a chnace that both will use the 5 pot Volvo engine fettled by Ford engineers, rather than building their own, as the Volvo one is pretty good anyway. However, the key thing is not necessarily who builds the engine but the rights to the name. And AFAIK this is still an option for Ford - thus a Cosworth could potentially be on the cards.
However, from a brand point of view, it is more than likely that the Cosowrth name (while rich in history) will not be used. It all comes down to marketing and Ford is a client of ours (as is Cosworth funnily enough), thus I think you'll see ST and RS as the premium brands.
Also, the plan is to use the blown lump as Ford like the thought of forced induction (again, its brand perception)... the 3-litre is, I think, incorrect. Then engine may be developed but if Ford conitnue in WRC, then there is the halo effect to be considered.
Hope this helps...
07 June 2005, 08:29 PM
#14
Scooby Newbie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by mightyyid
Gents
Bit of misconception here.
Focus RS is being developed. As is an ST version. Both are still TBD in terms of production but more than likely. Yes, there is a chnace that both will use the 5 pot Volvo engine fettled by Ford engineers, rather than building their own, as the Volvo one is pretty good anyway. However, the key thing is not necessarily who builds the engine but the rights to the name. And AFAIK this is still an option for Ford - thus a Cosworth could potentially be on the cards.
However, from a brand point of view, it is more than likely that the Cosowrth name (while rich in history) will not be used. It all comes down to marketing and Ford is a client of ours (as is Cosworth funnily enough), thus I think you'll see ST and RS as the premium brands.
Also, the plan is to use the blown lump as Ford like the thought of forced induction (again, its brand perception)... the 3-litre is, I think, incorrect. Then engine may be developed but if Ford conitnue in WRC, then there is the halo effect to be considered.
Hope this helps...
Bit of misconception here.
Focus RS is being developed. As is an ST version. Both are still TBD in terms of production but more than likely. Yes, there is a chnace that both will use the 5 pot Volvo engine fettled by Ford engineers, rather than building their own, as the Volvo one is pretty good anyway. However, the key thing is not necessarily who builds the engine but the rights to the name. And AFAIK this is still an option for Ford - thus a Cosworth could potentially be on the cards.
However, from a brand point of view, it is more than likely that the Cosowrth name (while rich in history) will not be used. It all comes down to marketing and Ford is a client of ours (as is Cosworth funnily enough), thus I think you'll see ST and RS as the premium brands.
Also, the plan is to use the blown lump as Ford like the thought of forced induction (again, its brand perception)... the 3-litre is, I think, incorrect. Then engine may be developed but if Ford conitnue in WRC, then there is the halo effect to be considered.
Hope this helps...
the focus platform, is volvo's new s40's platform
that platform is 4wd ready, there;s a s40 awd
awd is halex, so all the works done there
the new focus rs, 2wd 220bhp, that is the same engine in the s40 T5
so if they wanted 300bhp, use the s60r engine, which is a fettled version of the s40 t5 engine, bigger turbo etc.
volvo have designed a new 6 pot engine, which is no longer than the t5 unit, fitt no probs into s40/focus
and there's the 350 if they may want it.
volvo has done all the leg work, ford just use all there stuff, so no big deal, ford wont get the new 6pot for a year or 2, until volvo have had the first crack of the whip!
there's talk in that mag review, that the rs will get a option of the 4c chassis thing that volvo's have, again no work for ford, all done for them
its going to be ford's cheapest option, why spend thousands of pounds coming up with new stuff, when all done for them!
dave
Last edited by davecweed1; 07 June 2005 at 08:31 PM.
12 June 2005, 06:59 AM
#15
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Dec 1998
Posts: 465
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dave your right, ford will not do much work on the new RS.
"that platform is 4wd ready, there;s a s40 awd, awd is halex, so all the works done there"
And there you have it, Ford will basically make a stiffly suspended and big motored Volvo S40, with less rigidity then the Volvo- as Ford allows Volvo to emphsize safety as their main theme- the S40 outpersorms the Focus in crash tests. The Haldex and ****ty electric steering will pretty much ensure that the RS never becomes anything more than a fast Audi TT. The quicker Ford goes out of business the better it will be for true car enthusiasts, as at least many of their great engineers will migrate to Japanese companies who are more serious about building cars that people actually like to drive- ie Honda, Nissan.
"that platform is 4wd ready, there;s a s40 awd, awd is halex, so all the works done there"
And there you have it, Ford will basically make a stiffly suspended and big motored Volvo S40, with less rigidity then the Volvo- as Ford allows Volvo to emphsize safety as their main theme- the S40 outpersorms the Focus in crash tests. The Haldex and ****ty electric steering will pretty much ensure that the RS never becomes anything more than a fast Audi TT. The quicker Ford goes out of business the better it will be for true car enthusiasts, as at least many of their great engineers will migrate to Japanese companies who are more serious about building cars that people actually like to drive- ie Honda, Nissan.
12 June 2005, 08:28 AM
#16
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: elsewhere
Posts: 1,212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Previously on ScoobyNet...
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431721
As CupraMax says, Mahle now own Cosworth Technology whilst the two champ car guys own Cosworth Inc. AFAIK, Cosworth Tech. still build the Vanquish engine for FMC and last September, Cosworth Inc. announced a range of upgrades for FMC's 2.3ltr Duratec engine.
No reason Ford could not do a deal to brand the new Focus as a Cosworth since both elements still seem involved with Ford. I seem to remember a company somewhere in the midlands which isn't owned by Fuji Heavy Industries but has done some work with them in the past?
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431721
As CupraMax says, Mahle now own Cosworth Technology whilst the two champ car guys own Cosworth Inc. AFAIK, Cosworth Tech. still build the Vanquish engine for FMC and last September, Cosworth Inc. announced a range of upgrades for FMC's 2.3ltr Duratec engine.
No reason Ford could not do a deal to brand the new Focus as a Cosworth since both elements still seem involved with Ford. I seem to remember a company somewhere in the midlands which isn't owned by Fuji Heavy Industries but has done some work with them in the past?
Last edited by class_A; 12 June 2005 at 08:31 AM.
12 June 2005, 08:30 AM
#17
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: elsewhere
Posts: 1,212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by jeremy
Dave your right, ford will not do much work on the new RS.
"that platform is 4wd ready, there;s a s40 awd, awd is halex, so all the works done there"
And there you have it, Ford will basically make a stiffly suspended and big motored Volvo S40, with less rigidity then the Volvo- as Ford allows Volvo to emphsize safety as their main theme- the S40 outpersorms the Focus in crash tests. The Haldex and ****ty electric steering will pretty much ensure that the RS never becomes anything more than a fast Audi TT. The quicker Ford goes out of business the better it will be for true car enthusiasts, as at least many of their great engineers will migrate to Japanese companies who are more serious about building cars that people actually like to drive- ie Honda, Nissan.
"that platform is 4wd ready, there;s a s40 awd, awd is halex, so all the works done there"
And there you have it, Ford will basically make a stiffly suspended and big motored Volvo S40, with less rigidity then the Volvo- as Ford allows Volvo to emphsize safety as their main theme- the S40 outpersorms the Focus in crash tests. The Haldex and ****ty electric steering will pretty much ensure that the RS never becomes anything more than a fast Audi TT. The quicker Ford goes out of business the better it will be for true car enthusiasts, as at least many of their great engineers will migrate to Japanese companies who are more serious about building cars that people actually like to drive- ie Honda, Nissan.
12 June 2005, 03:19 PM
#18
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Here, There, Everywhere
Posts: 10,619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jeremy, why do you want Ford to go out of business???
Having owned the Mark 1 Focus RS, and now own a MY05 STi, i have come to this conclusion. Ford build good cars. The difference between Ford and the likes of Subaru, is that Ford think about the car more, and thus include nice little touches. For example, putting the wheel weights on the inside of the wheel. Makes the wheel so much smarter than having it just clagged on the outside. When you have a tire changed your wheel is always marked from where the weights was. Having good quality speakers, the subaru one's are crap. Better quality dashboards, better layed out, etc etc. The Focus RS was such a nicer car to live with for many reasons. The only plus point for the Sti, is that it's quicker and has 4wd. If the RS had 4wd, I would never have bought a STi.
People should give Ford credit, they do make good cars, and there run of the mill stuff is far better than most other manufactures. Not all though.
Having owned the Mark 1 Focus RS, and now own a MY05 STi, i have come to this conclusion. Ford build good cars. The difference between Ford and the likes of Subaru, is that Ford think about the car more, and thus include nice little touches. For example, putting the wheel weights on the inside of the wheel. Makes the wheel so much smarter than having it just clagged on the outside. When you have a tire changed your wheel is always marked from where the weights was. Having good quality speakers, the subaru one's are crap. Better quality dashboards, better layed out, etc etc. The Focus RS was such a nicer car to live with for many reasons. The only plus point for the Sti, is that it's quicker and has 4wd. If the RS had 4wd, I would never have bought a STi.
People should give Ford credit, they do make good cars, and there run of the mill stuff is far better than most other manufactures. Not all though.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Mattybr5@MB Developments
Full Cars Breaking For Spares
28
28 December 2015 11:07 PM