M3 CSL vs 'sorted' DC5 teg....
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M3 CSL vs 'sorted' DC5 teg....
just seen this:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77...drive_RSX5.jpg
and fallen in love.
I know from previous experience that the DC5 is a fantastic car on both road and track.
as you probably know from my previous m3 csl thread, I'm looking to get a serious performance car that I can use extensively on track, but also retains a certain amount of everyday usability.
It *must* be involving to drive, it *must* have pretty decent performance, and it *must* be designed to take the kind of track day punishment I will give it from day one, without requiring extensive modifications.
I have already pretty much decided on the M3 CSL, but having seen this kit, and knowing the DC5 makes a seriously good track day car (especially the track special versions with LSD etc.) I would be interested to know just how much difference there is between the CSL and a track-sorted DC5 on a circuit, if both pedalled well.
Just thinking that the DC5 could save me the best part of 20k...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77...drive_RSX5.jpg
and fallen in love.
I know from previous experience that the DC5 is a fantastic car on both road and track.
as you probably know from my previous m3 csl thread, I'm looking to get a serious performance car that I can use extensively on track, but also retains a certain amount of everyday usability.
It *must* be involving to drive, it *must* have pretty decent performance, and it *must* be designed to take the kind of track day punishment I will give it from day one, without requiring extensive modifications.
I have already pretty much decided on the M3 CSL, but having seen this kit, and knowing the DC5 makes a seriously good track day car (especially the track special versions with LSD etc.) I would be interested to know just how much difference there is between the CSL and a track-sorted DC5 on a circuit, if both pedalled well.
Just thinking that the DC5 could save me the best part of 20k...
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That's a DC5 with a Prodrive kit I think.
I've got a DC5 and struggled ot keep up with a Boxter S and I kept it in the VTEC zone, however the Boxter was pulling all the time (just a little) so why don't you consider a Boxter S for track days, apparently they handle really well and I was suprised at how fast it was and I'm not about to repeat how fast we were going
I've got a DC5 and struggled ot keep up with a Boxter S and I kept it in the VTEC zone, however the Boxter was pulling all the time (just a little) so why don't you consider a Boxter S for track days, apparently they handle really well and I was suprised at how fast it was and I'm not about to repeat how fast we were going
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Yes its a integra dc5, hence why I'm asking about DC5's
Not interested in NSX, hence why I'm not asking about NSX's. Or boxsters.
Not interested in NSX, hence why I'm not asking about NSX's. Or boxsters.
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Originally Posted by Daz34
I think it looks fabulous.
More pics here
More pics here
Looks like a DTM racer!
Anyone supercharged a DC5? Is it worth putting that much power to the front wheels?
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Edcase,
Ask yourself if you can afford to crash, damage and repair the CSL doing trackdays?
Whereas the DC5 you could totally write off and buy another
Or, buy the DC5 and get motorbike engined caterham etc for trackdays
Damian.
Ask yourself if you can afford to crash, damage and repair the CSL doing trackdays?
Whereas the DC5 you could totally write off and buy another
Or, buy the DC5 and get motorbike engined caterham etc for trackdays
Damian.
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
Edcase,
Ask yourself if you can afford to crash, damage and repair the CSL doing trackdays?
Whereas the DC5 you could totally write off and buy another
Or, buy the DC5 and get motorbike engined caterham etc for trackdays
Damian.
Ask yourself if you can afford to crash, damage and repair the CSL doing trackdays?
Whereas the DC5 you could totally write off and buy another
Or, buy the DC5 and get motorbike engined caterham etc for trackdays
Damian.
My point is, is the csl TWICE as good / much fun as a sorted DC5, because that is what it will cost.
I'm not being tight, I can afford the CSL (in two months time anyway) but after years of living beyond my means there is a part of me that thinks here is an opportunity to still have a lot of fun but save some serious cash.
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Go on to http://www.itr-dc5.co.uk/ this is where we DC5 boys reside, and yes you can stick on a Jackson Racing super charger and there are some boys running them, there is allso a lad on the forum who is running a Greddy turboed car (I think it's in this months Jap performance mag) I don't know how they get the power down though through the front wheels.
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Will buying the CSL mean you can not do as many track days as if you bought a car half the price?
If the answer is yes, then the cheaper car it is.
If the answer is yes, then the cheaper car it is.
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Having driven both on track they each have their own plus's and minus's, as you'd imagine.
The immediate one is obviously rear wheel drive v front wheel drive; some love fwd, and you can get the teg rather out of shape quite easily, but fwd just doesn't 'do it' for me. Some days I have my serious lapping head on, but some days I just want to play, and I don't find fwd so much 'fun' which, after all, is why we do it isn't it.
One major downside of the CSL is the alarming rate that they eat tyres. My mate, who will no doubt be along shortly, has spent in the region of £16k on tyres in the last 18 months- think they're michelin pilot cup sports? semi-slick anyway...
The immediate one is obviously rear wheel drive v front wheel drive; some love fwd, and you can get the teg rather out of shape quite easily, but fwd just doesn't 'do it' for me. Some days I have my serious lapping head on, but some days I just want to play, and I don't find fwd so much 'fun' which, after all, is why we do it isn't it.
One major downside of the CSL is the alarming rate that they eat tyres. My mate, who will no doubt be along shortly, has spent in the region of £16k on tyres in the last 18 months- think they're michelin pilot cup sports? semi-slick anyway...
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I can see where you are coming from. The CSL is a lot of car to damage, but for track use i think a FR or MR configuration would be best. A FWD with LSD is not te best for on road use. So i have a plan, to keep you looking and feeling flash on a daily basis, and looking and feeling flash at the weeking pioleting a track monster:
Track monster
1993 L Reg*PORSCHE 968 Club Sport
Manual 6 speed, 52,000 miles, Grand Prix white with black cloth. Comfort seats, White wheels with crested centers, Club Sport decals, Brand new Pirelli Pzeros, An absolutely immaculate low mileage example, I have every MOT and service bill form new, Full dealer faculties available, including balloon finance £14,995.
Tel: 01905*622127*
Price: £14,995
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Daily motor
2003 03 Reg*BMW M3
Coupe, 27,000 miles, Metallic CSL Silver Grey. Imola Red Nappa Leather, Sat Nav & widescreen TV, 19" Alloys, Harmon Kardon Hi-Fi, Electric Glass Sunroof, Heated seats, Tracker, 6-CD Player, BMW Bluetooth, Elec Fold Mirrors, Front Centre Armrest, Aluminium Interior trim, Xenon Headlights, Electric Seat Memory, Climate Control, Cruise control, Auto-Dim Int mirror, BMW factory Alarm system, BMW Factory Stereo system, Electric Adjustable Mirror, Headlamp Wash, Side Air Bags, Traction Control System, Computer, Front Fog Lights, Floor mats, One Owner, New tyres, Immaculate in and out, Just Serviced at BMW dealer, UK main dealer supplied, Full and complete Service history, Balance of 3 year warranty, HPI Clear, Out of office hours call 07973 414056. Comprehensive warranty provided with all our used vehicles. Finance arranged and P/X taken. For more information click on the DEALER WEBSITE button. Veiwing only by prior appointment please. £31,790.
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http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=178073624
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=178073626
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=178073631
All for a combined price of CSL money. Everyone is a winner !?!?
Track monster
1993 L Reg*PORSCHE 968 Club Sport
Manual 6 speed, 52,000 miles, Grand Prix white with black cloth. Comfort seats, White wheels with crested centers, Club Sport decals, Brand new Pirelli Pzeros, An absolutely immaculate low mileage example, I have every MOT and service bill form new, Full dealer faculties available, including balloon finance £14,995.
Tel: 01905*622127*
Price: £14,995
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=179486290
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=179486295
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=179486298
Daily motor
2003 03 Reg*BMW M3
Coupe, 27,000 miles, Metallic CSL Silver Grey. Imola Red Nappa Leather, Sat Nav & widescreen TV, 19" Alloys, Harmon Kardon Hi-Fi, Electric Glass Sunroof, Heated seats, Tracker, 6-CD Player, BMW Bluetooth, Elec Fold Mirrors, Front Centre Armrest, Aluminium Interior trim, Xenon Headlights, Electric Seat Memory, Climate Control, Cruise control, Auto-Dim Int mirror, BMW factory Alarm system, BMW Factory Stereo system, Electric Adjustable Mirror, Headlamp Wash, Side Air Bags, Traction Control System, Computer, Front Fog Lights, Floor mats, One Owner, New tyres, Immaculate in and out, Just Serviced at BMW dealer, UK main dealer supplied, Full and complete Service history, Balance of 3 year warranty, HPI Clear, Out of office hours call 07973 414056. Comprehensive warranty provided with all our used vehicles. Finance arranged and P/X taken. For more information click on the DEALER WEBSITE button. Veiwing only by prior appointment please. £31,790.
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=178073616
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=178073624
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=178073626
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD...a?id=178073631
All for a combined price of CSL money. Everyone is a winner !?!?
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Shame the 968 hasn't M030 and it's got the crap seat but yeah, I'd go along with that - though an M3 is (imo) too good for a daily drive. 530d would be better imo, that way, when you drive the 968 you'd be like "fooock this is quick". It'd be an occasion everytime you started it up.
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That club sport looks in great nick, do you not think it would be a shame to ruin it by tracking it???
Have you not thought of an Exige, Elise 111s or even a Noble??
Gav..
Have you not thought of an Exige, Elise 111s or even a Noble??
Gav..
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Originally Posted by scoobygav555
That club sport looks in great nick, do you not think it would be a shame to ruin it by tracking it???
Originally Posted by scoobygav555
Have you not thought of an Exige, Elise 111r or even a Noble??
Gav..
Gav..