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Old 10 April 2005, 10:39 AM
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Default Porsche996, your experiences pls.....

Im looking to buy a 996 in the near future, and have been trawling the porsche forums....Ive done a fair bit of research and am now familiar with what to look out for....

My Q is....what was your experience of 996 ownership in terms of performance/handling/running costs/image/etc....

On the porsche forums they are all die hard fans, so it hard to get some objectivity........your opinions would be most welcomed....
Old 10 April 2005, 11:55 AM
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ive never owned one,but from image point of view id say its a lot better than a porsche boxsters.id love one of these cars mate,if youve got the cash then do it.
Old 10 April 2005, 01:29 PM
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Don't own, but sometime's use a 996 turbo, performance is fantastic, almost motorbike quick. The main difference between these and a scoob is the 911 will still accelerate hard at all speed's, i.e. 150mph plus and it'll still pull hard, but, and this is a big but, there not as reliable and well built as everyone would have you believe, people say there an everyday supercar, not in my opinion! The one i drive has had a water leak (interior not engine) the remote locking only work's 50% of the time, the on board computer's alway's telling you to drive to your dealer and have the engine checked, bit's fall of it all the time (again interior trim not exterior). It'll go through rear tyre's every 3000 mile's if you drive it quickly (£500 a pair). But apart from that there fine, what it really boil's down to is, if you can put up with all the little fault's (admittedly only minor fault's but annoying all the same) if you can, you'll love it i'm sure.
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Oh just noticed you mention handling, don't turn the PSM of in the wet you'll end up spinning all the time, once the tyre's start wearing a bit it'll wheelspin at 80mph on the motorway in the wet, even with the PSM turned on. As for image, you'll just have to get used to kid's pointing at you all the time, and other driver's giving you abuse all the time (you must be a ********, cos you drive a porsche) is what most people seem to think. As for running cost's you'll need deep pocket's and a sense of humour when you ask the main dealer for servicing price's. One other annoying thing is they only have small petrol tank's and you'll be forever stopping to fill it up, still find a petrol station with a pretty girl working there and you'll be alright.
Old 10 April 2005, 02:50 PM
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Until very recently I owned a 2003 996 C2 (3.6 litre), bought new and kept for two years. I only sold it because with the birth of our second child the car became totally unpractical and was destined to languish in the garage virtually unused.

Even a stock 911 is very quick, 0-100mph in 10-11secs. You really notice the performance difference once the car is moving - something like a scoob or evo has given its best by 80-90mph. At these sorts of speeds the 996 is just beginning to get into its stride, and will go from 80 to 140mph in next to no time, and it's only when you look at the speedo you realise how fast you're really going. Without some restraint you could be well past license-losing speed and into jail territory before you know it.

Handling is excellent. The suspension setup of the car is probably the best of any road car I've driven - compliant over bumps, yet resistant to body roll. The car feels agile, turn in is sharp (though not as good as say an evo 6), and there is plenty of feedback through the wheel, so even in the wet you can really feel what the car is doing. It's limits of grip are very high, too high IMO for sliding one around on the public road - you'd need to be travelling way too fast. It's pretty benign though, and you'd have to be a real numpty behind the wheel to come to serious harm - even if you lift off mid-corner it's unlikely to catapult you through a hedge like an earlier 911 might.

Running costs aren't too bad. Routine servicing is once a year and works out at about £350 for the small service, £650 for the big service. It's easy to get 25mpg out of one, more if you are on a run, and even with a heavy right-foot it doesn't develop the sort of thirst a Jap turbo car does. Insurance for me was under £1000 per year, about the same as my evo which I had before. One big caveat with the running costs though - personally I would not keep a 996 out of warranty. There are too many scare stories of engine and rear-main-seal failures (RMS), and with engine replacement costs running to 5 figures it's not the sort of bill you want to be landed with. Porsche will supply extended warranties for £725/year though, even on cars whose warranties have lapsed after you've paid for a checkup at an OPC.

Image, well I never had any problems with mine. Never had any grief off other road users, never had my car damaged or vandalised, though I was pretty careful where I left it. The kids in the street I live in used to like it though, and always came to have a look at it when I washed it The car attracted much more positive feedback on the continent though - it would be quite commonplace for people to wave and give the thumbs up in places like Holland.

In my two years of ownership the only problem I had was a failure of one of the amplifiers in the sound system. Mechanically it was perfect and never missed a beat, so I would disagree with Shaunywrx's comment about it not being an everyday car. Cabin quality is not on a par with the likes of, say, Audi though.

If you don't need the practicality of a bigger family car (I traded mine in for an RS6 Avant), then I think you'll be hard-pushed to find a finer means of transport.

Gary.
Old 10 April 2005, 04:37 PM
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I came from STi Type R to 996 (With sports pack). As GCollier said, once on the move, a 996 is faster than most of your 2ltr turbo scoobs, evo's etc.
The handling is better (mine has porsche sports suspension). The biggest surprise is how far I can push the car in the wet, with some 285 conti's on the rear, you really can take the **** far in excess of what you would imagine of a 300bhp RWD car.
Build quality is excellent, not one thing has gone wrong with mine. I do have a Porsche warranty though, I wouldn't own a Porsche without one.
Running costs so far have been cheaper than my scoob, but don't expect to run a 911 on a mondeo budget.
As for image, prepare to get lots of attention. Mine has the GT3 aerokit and is a special order metalic viola, so gets lots of attention, 99% of which is positive. Though if this isn't your thing, get a silver one without the GT3 gubbins and you won't get too much attention.
Spec is important so do plenty of research on choosing the right spec. There are some things you simply must have/avoid on a 996.
They really are an everyday supercar. For me, no other car ticks as many boxes as a Porsche, it does it all.
Old 10 April 2005, 04:53 PM
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I have a 2000 996 C2 Tip since new, & I can tell u it's very practical for daily use. I live in Hong Kong & most of the driving is in quite heavy traffic, but sometimes I'll drive it on 'country' roads and also expressways. The car feels very well engineered, & the ride is not as bad as u would imagine. Ground clearance is fine for those carparks & speedbumps which I've encountered, & the aircon performs really well in the hot & humid weather over here (the system is made by Denso). It has plenty of room for ur shopping, as well as enough room in the 'boot' for 2 standard-sized aircraft cabin baggage. The rear seats fold down so u can put golf clubs there. The driving position is spot-on, & visibility is excellent.
Running costs are low considering it's performance & market segment (for Hong Kong at least). I manage abt 22-23mpg, & servicing needs to be done only once per year if ur mileage is less than 15,000kms. A minor service is needed every 2 years & a major service every 4 years.
Build quality is fine, nothing has fallen off yet!! The doors feel heavy for what is a relatively light car. I did have a few warranty claims tho. The seat memory failed shortly after the car was delivered, the Becker radio headunit was replaced twice, & the push button on the gear lever fell off a few times (now cured with a redesigned mechanism). Other than that, the car has been totally reliable during the past 3 years. No RMS problem for me yet.
This is a car which I speak highly of, the low running cost & practicality mean that it can be driven any day and everyday.
Old 10 April 2005, 05:44 PM
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Cheers guys, some very helpful info in the above posts.

My ONLY reservation about the 996 was the RMS issue which seems to plague the 996, I guess the only way round that is to get the warranty, which I guess is essential in any event.

Everything else makes me want to get one, Im ideally after a 996 with the full factory gt3 aerokit, the hard bit seems to be finding a car which is realistically priced. Al my reading on the 996 shows that the car is about to have quite a fall in residuals mainly due to the fact that people are put off them by potential RMS issues. Im only looking to soend £25k, and havnt yet found a car that isnt very high mileage.....maybe Im going to have to increase my budget slighly, but I always like to hunt around, get the car at a good price, in order to minimise my loss when I come to sell it on!

Keep those opinions coming please!
Old 10 April 2005, 05:51 PM
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Don't get one with the GT3 kit on it. They look nice enough without the extra plastic.

If you are only spending 25k then you are not going to get one with a warranty - this amount of cash will only buy you a 1998 3.4 car.
Old 10 April 2005, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Gypsy
I came from STi Type R to 996 (With sports pack). As GCollier said, once on the move, a 996 is faster than most of your 2ltr turbo scoobs, evo's etc.
The handling is better (mine has porsche sports suspension). The biggest surprise is how far I can push the car in the wet, with some 285 conti's on the rear, you really can take the **** far in excess of what you would imagine of a 300bhp RWD car.
Build quality is excellent, not one thing has gone wrong with mine. I do have a Porsche warranty though, I wouldn't own a Porsche without one.
Running costs so far have been cheaper than my scoob, but don't expect to run a 911 on a mondeo budget.
As for image, prepare to get lots of attention. Mine has the GT3 aerokit and is a special order metalic viola, so gets lots of attention, 99% of which is positive. Though if this isn't your thing, get a silver one without the GT3 gubbins and you won't get too much attention.
Spec is important so do plenty of research on choosing the right spec. There are some things you simply must have/avoid on a 996.
They really are an everyday supercar. For me, no other car ticks as many boxes as a Porsche, it does it all.

Can we have some piccies please Mr Gypsy?

Also what do you think of GT3 vs TT?

Deep
Old 10 April 2005, 09:51 PM
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I've been lurking on some Porsche forums and it seems the RMS issue has been blown out of proportion. Its very unlikley to cause engine failure and OPC charge circa £600 to fix it

ps this is what I've read, never actually owned a Porsche myself
Old 11 April 2005, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
Can we have some piccies please Mr Gypsy?

Also what do you think of GT3 vs TT?

Deep
I'm happy to provide some pics if someone can host?

I recently drove the GT3 and TT back to back. They are very different beasts. Both make my 996 C2 feel like a milk float! The pull of the TT is plain stupid. The GT3, whilst not quite as quick in a straight line (not much in it), was the most complete driving experience you can imagine. I can't think of a single way of improving the car. I can't really do a write up and do the GT3 justice. Awesomely special. But as an everyday car, the TT would be the sensible choice. The average driver could get more speed more of the time out of a TT.

RMS is a very over exaggerated issue.
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Cheers guys, some very helpful info in the above posts.

My ONLY reservation about the 996 was the RMS issue which seems to plague the 996, I guess the only way round that is to get the warranty, which I guess is essential in any event.

Everything else makes me want to get one, Im ideally after a 996 with the full factory gt3 aerokit, the hard bit seems to be finding a car which is realistically priced. Al my reading on the 996 shows that the car is about to have quite a fall in residuals mainly due to the fact that people are put off them by potential RMS issues. Im only looking to soend £25k, and havnt yet found a car that isnt very high mileage.....maybe Im going to have to increase my budget slighly, but I always like to hunt around, get the car at a good price, in order to minimise my loss when I come to sell it on!

Keep those opinions coming please!
You won't find a good 996 for 25k. They have dropped in value as much as they are going to. Good spec 996's are 30-33k. At 25k you'll only find 97-98 high mile, low spec cars that'll be hard to sell on. Spec is everyting on a 996, increase your budget to 30k and you'll have a nice car.
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Fantastic thread but unfortunately due to the Scoobynet police I can't comment on any of the above
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My company own a 996 C2 Cabrio that managers get the use of at weekends.
I have to say that it really is the most impressive car I've ever driven. I can wholeheartedly agree with all the positive comments above. The handling is spot on and the way the engine never runs out of steam is quite an exhilirating experience for a scooby driver.

I can never imagine getting bored of driving this car as it seems to be infinitely rewarding everytime you drive it.

All this and very practical too. It's completely docile in heavy traffic/urban driving and I even manage to get a full load of shopping from sainsburys into the quite roomy front boot.

If i could afford it I'd have one of these cars in a heartbeat.
Old 11 April 2005, 11:07 AM
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Just incase you didnt know, RMS does not affect GT2/3 or Turbo, they use different- GT1 derived bottom end.
Old 11 April 2005, 11:46 AM
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Had 3 996's in the last 3 years, C2, C4S & now a Turbo.
Utterly reliable all 3. The C2 & the C4S both suffered RMS but its not a major issue, if you have a Porsche warranty (you can either get one by buying a car from an OPC or spending £850 or whatever to get one put on a non OPC car) then its all covered.
People love to over-inflate the RMS issue into something it isnt, probably because they see it as the only real "*****" in the 996's armour. Then you get all the blown up engine stories etc....typical internet spread hype.....its really not the case.
RMS is a design fault & Porsche now accept this & fully cover it under warranty. Indeed my C4S was out of warranty when mine struck & they still fixed it FOC as they now see it as a recognised problem.
I have yet to hear of any engine going pop because of the RMS, they only real damage it can do if unleft is contaminating the clutch.
Anyway nothing can touch a Turbo, a real supercar....as a few bikes have found out recently !
Interior isn't up to a £90k car standard, while its robust & functional its not the quality you would expect....all 996's are the same, better from 2001 onwards. The 997 addresses this nicely.

You don't say which 996 you might be looking at - Early C2's are very good value at the moment in the late £20k's. that will get you a great spec, 30k mileage car with a full history from an independant....add a few k more at least for one from an OPC, though their cars are well prepared with a Porsche warranty.
Performance wise a C2 is pretty quick. I had a modified Sti4 before it & would say up to 100 pretty close, then the C2 would pull away. Remember these cars have a top speed of over 170mph standard, so have plenty of grunt left at 120mph when a lot of cars are running out !
Handling wise the C2 is a very safe car. 300bhp through the rear wheels needs respect but the levels of grip are huge. Find one with traction control & side airbags (this was an option on early C2's) ofr extra safety. It really does defy the set-up, as all the weight over the rear should be a nightmare, but its not at all.

Running costs are not as bad as you might think. Earlier cars will need certain wear & tear items replacing at some point (MAF sensors & drop links spring to mind) both not huge cost to replace - find a good specialist for this type of work.
Insurance on my C2 was almost the same as on my STi. Front tyres wear a lot slower than the rears (RWD & lots of weight over the rear because of the engine obviously)

Image wise, you get a lot of attention in a 996, most negative in all honesty. People trying to race you, cutting you up, not letting you out of junctions etc etc. Its something you get used to and its worse if you drive a Turbo.
Part of the reason for getting out of the STi was the image, I wanted something with more class & style. Not wanting to offend anyone saying that, just that pretty much any lad can now get into a Scooby & tear around at silly speeds & its destroying the image of the cars.

Take one for a long drive & see what you think. I never regretted it.
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
Fantastic thread but unfortunately due to the Scoobynet police I can't comment on any of the above
That's a little Ruf isn't it Hawk? feel free to post whatever you like mate
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25k I'd myself look at a 993.

....that's just me though.
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Originally Posted by Mad Gypsy
That's a little Ruf isn't it Hawk? feel free to post whatever you like mate
ahhhhhh back to the usual scoobynet banter.


my review & comments to follow:-




FANG CHUFFING TASTIC

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Thanks for the reply guys, but when I say Im going to spend £25k, Im still looking at £27/28k examples, hoping to bargain them down, to maybe £26k......Im hopeful that this technique will work for me...
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
Fantastic thread but unfortunately due to the Scoobynet police I can't comment on any of the above
Come on you must be itching mate
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
Come on you must be itching mate
I am but the Doctors says the cream should start working in a couple of days
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Hawk.....Im fascinated.......if it is something that may assist y impending purchase, please pm me.....
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
I am but the Doctors says the cream should start working in a couple of days
No, I think you're incurable
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This started as such a good thread......
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Originally Posted by Rumplestiltskin!
This started as such a good thread......
Sorry!!

ok lets have some useful info then from a seasoned Porsche owner

1) Why did you pick tt over GT3?

2) Why do Mk 1 GT3s cost almost the same as a Mk2 GT3 despite the latter being approx three years newer?

3) Where any of your 3 Porkers triptonic, if so feedback please.

Sorry if I'm hijacking thread!!
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these 996's are lovely. just wish i could afford one now!!

just got an insurance quote, 4500 :-(
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Hawk.....Im fascinated.......if it is something that may assist y impending purchase, please pm me.....




??????????????????????????????????????????? and some people say my post dont make sense onder2:
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Had a GT3RS. Fantastic car and as competent as you'd be led to believe. Jumped ship for a 550 and now this is for sale, I want to get back into a 996 again.
Currently looking at either a GT2, TTx50 or even possibly another RS.

911's are a different league. There's not a car on the planet that can do what a 911 can.

Cem


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