jl4069

I was just chatting with the fellows over at Dialynx (the Audi upgrade specialists) and boy are those guys serious about UrQ's. They pretty much race, live and breath them all day long. Anyway, they still claim that their modded UrQ's are a match and sometimes even better than all manner of Impreza's.

Does anyone here have a modded UrQ? Are the Dialynx guys right, can these still handle Impreza's? Thanks, JL

Mortywrx

I remember top gear doing a race between a evo 6 and a urQ short wheel-base and the evo came out on top. Would place bets on the impreza winning every time but as for uprated URs im not sure...?

Darren

dominicm

I drove to work in my standard 1991 J plate 20v quattro this morning, she always puts a smile on my face, but the performance is nothing compared to my STI RA and my M5!

My brother on the other hand has a 1986 ur quattro which has had a load of work done, RS2 ecu and injectors, bespoke intercooler, large turbo, uprated suspension and RS2 front brakes that do fit in the standard 15" alloy's.

On the rolling road it puts out 260bhp and 290lb/ft, the car is pretty light so it does go well. The best thing is how strong the standard engine is, 22-26PSI is easily handled with out stressing the engine...appartantly!!!!

A standard 10V quattro is pretty slow by todays standard, I also own a near standard 205 1.9 GTI in which I have matched one upto about 90MPH.

Dialynx are very expensive IMO, Kim Collins is another well know quattro tuning specialist.


Dom

dominicm

My RA and 20V quattro.



My brothers ur quattro at goodwood.

Dom

Peanuts

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Kim Collins

did our wedding photography

must be a different outfit

jl4069

Dom,


Does your UrQ have any handling advantages over your Impreza? Is it true as some UrQ lovers say that you can't beat a UrQ in the rain? That they are simply more confidence inspiring and safe (better at self-centering) in-extremis? Or is that a load of BS Thanks, JL

^Qwerty^

I always thought that my urq felt more planted to the road. but it did understeer when pushed. Certainly was confidence inspiring as you say.
Got my old "rallying of the 80's" video back the other week... the noise of that A1(was it an A1?)

Megaz

Watched The fastest road legal cars on M&M, there was a UR which did 0-60 in 3.07 seconds (heavily modified) and looked realy nice

Turbohot

My husband Rich has got UR 1982.He is modifying it at the moment.I dunno what he is doing to it.I know one thing that it is aright headturner and goes like hell as it is.

what would scooby do

sure they are a sweet car, but the impreza would probably be half the cost for the same performance

jl4069

Qwerty,

I hear lots of people say what you do about the UrQ- that its somehow more stable *because of its heavy engine ahead of the axle) and planted on the road more of the time. I wonder if this is a tradeoff whereby an Impreza is not quite as stable but is far controlable when it does lose grip? Through on the public road it becomes a tricky situation because maybe you don't want your car slipping much in the first place. I myself would love to see a fully modded 300hp UrQ with alcons and as well maybe a Litchfeild 25 Impreza to head to head in wet wales? Thanks, JL

dominicm

To be honest my brothers quattro is not as quick as my RA, I have no experience of a standard Impreza so I wouldn't like to compare!!!

My brother runs 'Cup' tyres so it's a bit of a handful in the wet so again I couldn't make a fair comparison.

He has got Koni struts with bilstein springs fitted, also he has had a stronger front arb may as it did roll alot round the bends, they don't have a rear arb!!!

We will be taking them both to Goodwood in a couple of weeks so as long as we've got dry weather we will be able to doa back to back.

Cheers
Dom

^Qwerty^

When it did loose grip, it did it in a very nice polite manor, i.e. the understeer would come in, but to fix that you just lifted a bit and it came back into line.

My thoughts on the urQ are that it was a very capable grand tourer, albeit with only two doors, and also in it's day, it had the ability to keep up with just about anything on the A+B roads.

200-220bhp in a big car like that these days puts it against a lot of other cars on the A+B road stakes, and it may well struggle to keep up. However take the RR model and stick the RS2 manifold and turbo on it, remap the ECU and upgrade the brakes and you get a very very capable car.

If I didn't need a towbar on my car, I'd have a 20V like a shot over and above anything else I could buy for ~£15k.

The mpg you can get is just a bonus

screechmr2

they've got one that hits 60 in under 3 secs or pretty much bang on 3 secs, now that is bloody rapid

100 in about 6 secs

hawki

"Watched The fastest road legal cars on M&M, there was a UR which did 0-60 in 3.07 seconds (heavily modified) and looked realy nice"

That was Dailynx's car driven by the owner Keith Murrey - it won that competition.
They have a TT, which is basicly a RS4 with a TT body on it - 600 bhp

Megaz

hawki

Checkout Dialynx's car doing 0-60 in 2.45 seconds
and their 600bhp TT on the rollers spitting flames

www.vwvids.co.uk
under the audi section

SPEN555

I have just bought a 1987 ur quattro and for a 17 year old car it handles and drives amazingly.

My other car is a MY03 JDM WRX STi.

The scoob is quicker but on A and B roads I can see the ur keeping up as there is not a massive gap in performance.

Damian.

jl4069

Daimain, Good job for getting both! Does your 87' have the Torsen diff? The Torsen is supposed to make the car even better with less understeer. I'd be real interested to know how you think the handling of your two cars compares on challenging roads. Let us know if UrQ outgrips STi in the wet. Thanks, JL

SPEN555

jl4069,

Sorry for such late reply.

I don't think mine has the torsen diff.

The Ur I have needs new rear bushes but it does handle well.

The scoob handles better but then again it's only a year old. One thing I am always conscious of in the Ur is that the steering feel gives you the feeling of it being front end heavy.

The scoob is a JDM model and as such has harder suspension (must not have our crap roads in Japan) whereas the Audi is a UK spec car and feels a lot more compliant on the road.

The only way I will find out if one outgrips the other in the wet is to probably crash one and I don't wanna be doing that

Damian.

jl4069

Damian,

I get your point about ultimatly needing "to crash one". Also I think that the feeling of front heaviness you get is not just a feeling from the steering but a reality, as the car really does have a heavy engine put all the way out in front of the axle. This also brings up another interesting point, and that is what sort of final handling balance is right for safe yet fast driving on challenging roads? It seems that most race tracks cannot give us the answer as there're too smooth or without enough challanging curves, but that roads like you have in Wales would be the best true test. The point is, what would one want the car to do when it looses grip? I'd say its a toss up for final over or understeer, if, and thats a big if, the car is sliding progressivly and slowly and can be quickly controlled by the trottle and steering. In this way I'm not sure it would make a difference, I suppose its whats easier to get back to the straight position- a slide from the front or from the rear. Also to add to this equation is the idea of ultimate grip, that is the ability of a car to simply not slide at all at least until the speed is out of hand. Tough one.

QuattroMNC

Hi, I drive a fairly std '86 coupe quattro, not a turbo. As far as straight line speed goes obviously I can't match a turbo scoob of any sort, but if you want to know about handling, i went on the castles + mountains tour last weekend, had a wr1 behind and a classic in front, wr1 outstripped me on the straight but I overtook the classic on the outside of a bend (was visible road - done in safety). I reckon thats pretty good adhesion, still running on 14" wheels and with a full car.

QuattroMNC

O yed almost forgot, the dialynx quattros with 600 bhp still runn standard drive gear.

If u want to check it out see their website

jl4069

MNC,

More good points. Actually John Felstead made numerous comments just as you just did, about his Impreza Sport- with a little 4cylinder engine (no turbo) and small wheels/tires. He said as like you, that he was able to pass many much more powerful cars than his, due not only to his driving skills but also to his mind a few basic ingredients that can make a car handle great on a challenging road, namely small tires and light weight. To bad this stuff is not studied or spoken about much, outside of tales like yours and John's. Thank, JL

urquat

I wouldn't give my UR up if you paid me, Every time I go out in it, I have a right laugh!! as a mate said when we went tearing round bramhall roundabout "**** me it's on rails!!", best road found to play on .... the bends going into burnham-on-crouch...... WOW but mind the left hander with the tyre wall. but today had bad news ....... cracked head keeerrrrrching!!

SPEN555

urquat,

That's a real bummer. You will have to keep us up to date on how you get on getting it fixed.

Mine has started losing boost. Must have a split hose somewhere, so this weekend I will be trying to find that.

Damian.

QuattroMNC

My large tyrewalls do not hold out as long as small ones would until they start to let go but a little play with the throttle and she's under control again, I very much doubt that a small sidewall will give you the opportunity. Big wheels are superb for smooth roads + tracks but not so great on a slightly rough country road.

QuattroMNC

Iv'e only driven a scooby twice, '92 Classic import on 17"OZ SL felt very twitchy compaired to my car. I would rather the Quattro's brakes any day (the only thing I'm missing is ABS), I find very little feeling or bite in the scoobs but a much more involving experience in the Audi, little adjustments to the pedal are felt instantly where the scoob were almost off then on(sort of).

And here it is, the final clincher for me, when was the last time you saw a 1986, 190000Mile+ car still going with ALL(apart from hydraulic lifters - expected) original engine parts, go so well, It gets driven HARD (done two trackdays), been through three accidents, two front + one side impact (only one mine) and the chassis still straight
I reckon thats pretty good.

Sorry for the nostalgic moment but it's all got to come out sometimes.

QuattroMNC

urquat,

Hope you get your car sorted soon, would love to see it sometime. Where about's are you, I'm in north wales - I'd go anywhere really to see you + the car, do you attend meets and so on?

Just in case you hadn't guessed i'm a big, sorry HUGE fan of these cars. there's three AUDI's in the family.

urquat

I've just found a head @ AM so I'll have a drive down to somerset tomorrow, spen, i found two of my pipes had gone when boost was going, first look at the pipe from the metering head to the front of the turbo, the wire bound one, I had a hole in it Mr ducktape has worked for the past two years 'cos audi want £145+vat for one, i'm looking for a suitable pipe to replace it at a better cost. The second pipe that went was the 90° pipe that connects to the first one after the metal 90° to the front of the turbo... that was better priced @ 45+vat If you don't have etca for part numbers look here:- http://perso.club-internet.fr/prelai.../Mainmenu.html

I wouldn't give up my large tyrewalls, don't want to change the rims, got dunlop SP9000's, went to oulton park a while back and had to park in the overflow carpark, when we got back it was mudfest, a guy in a 4x4 wanted £5 to get cars out..... nice cash if you can get it..... locked the diffs and plodded out past the low profile boys hehe