Calling all diesel bashers!
14 July 2004, 10:42 AM
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Calling all diesel bashers!
Vauxhall have just made a nice new diesel vectra. Gets 47mpg and meets EuroIV emissions spec already, so nice and environmentally friendly.
Only a 1.9 litre engine though, so not likely to be very fast.... er....
With 212bhp and 400Nm of torque it is!
See here: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/preview...y.php?id=48088
0-60 in 6.5 and top speed limited to 155mph!
Only a 1.9 litre engine though, so not likely to be very fast.... er....
With 212bhp and 400Nm of torque it is!
See here: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/preview...y.php?id=48088
0-60 in 6.5 and top speed limited to 155mph!
14 July 2004, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Clett
0-60 in 6.5 and top speed limited to 155mph!
(i don't own a cat btw
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14 July 2004, 02:39 PM
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That's seriously impressive. It does say the engine could produce 450Nm torque! They just need a strong enough gear box I reckon you could see that in production. There's a huge market for diesel cars now and the way the company car tax is going, they will become even more popular. How about putting it in the VX220 body?
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I reckon you could see that in production. There's a huge market for diesel cars now and the way the company car tax is going, they will become even more popular. How about putting it in the VX220 body? Chris
14 July 2004, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
How about putting it in the VX220 body?
14 July 2004, 03:33 PM
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so nice and environmentally friendly.
Diesels are a health hazard. Bloody hate them, especially if you ever have to sit behind these damn things in traffic.
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14 July 2004, 03:37 PM
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saying 400nm of torque means f*ck all to most people and it doesn't impress me, i know they use nm because it gives a higher figure and it's still a high torque figure but using nm fails to impress
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14 July 2004, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Covering the planet in a layer of carcinogenic soot cannot really be called 'environmentally friendly'.
14 July 2004, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by screechmr2
saying 400nm of torque means f*ck all to most people and it doesn't impress me, i know they use nm because it gives a higher figure and it's still a high torque figure but using nm fails to impress
14 July 2004, 05:05 PM
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It's torque at the wheels that accelerates the car though.
Diesels have to run high gearing because they can't rev and produce torque low down in the rev range.
A Formula 1 car only produces similar torque to a 2.0 TD family car.
Figures on their own mean nothing.
Many modern diesels have an overboost features to increase power and kick out a decent amount of soot. Try following a VAG PD or TDCi Mondeo when they give it full throttle.
Diesels have to run high gearing because they can't rev and produce torque low down in the rev range.
A Formula 1 car only produces similar torque to a 2.0 TD family car.
Figures on their own mean nothing.
Many modern diesels have an overboost features to increase power and kick out a decent amount of soot. Try following a VAG PD or TDCi Mondeo when they give it full throttle.
14 July 2004, 06:07 PM
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I don't see whats so impressive considering its not on the market
a remaped PD150 produces 190 - 200 bhp and 290-320 lbs of torque
AMD had an upgrade for a PD130 costing about £2500 - 230bhp and 350 lbs of torque - their demo was in a few mags and did 0-60 in 7 seconds on a wet day at bruntingphorpe
a remaped PD150 produces 190 - 200 bhp and 290-320 lbs of torque
AMD had an upgrade for a PD130 costing about £2500 - 230bhp and 350 lbs of torque - their demo was in a few mags and did 0-60 in 7 seconds on a wet day at bruntingphorpe
14 July 2004, 07:13 PM
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What a load of old crap, still listening to Clarkson are we, the new Vectra is a decent enough car, its just badge snobbery and the fact it comes from an unfashionable market sector that count against it, oh and the fact that 90% of the British public would sell their souls to own a BMW 3 series.
Compare it to a Scoob on every criteria and for most people I think the Vectra would be a more sensible choice, the kind of people who frequent boards like this arent sensible hence our choices, I sold a new shape Mondeo to buy a Fiat Coupe Turbo, the Mondeo was a great car, the Fiat is ok but feels old in comparison, it wins on looks and performance but loses to the Mondeo in everything else, just depends what you think is important.
I pesonally think it would be highly amusing to make a Scoob, Boxster etc etc driver work very hard to out accelerate a Diesel rep mobile. Got to love these new generation diesels !
What a load of old crap, still listening to Clarkson are we, the new Vectra is a decent enough car, its just badge snobbery and the fact it comes from an unfashionable market sector that count against it, oh and the fact that 90% of the British public would sell their souls to own a BMW 3 series.
Compare it to a Scoob on every criteria and for most people I think the Vectra would be a more sensible choice, the kind of people who frequent boards like this arent sensible hence our choices, I sold a new shape Mondeo to buy a Fiat Coupe Turbo, the Mondeo was a great car, the Fiat is ok but feels old in comparison, it wins on looks and performance but loses to the Mondeo in everything else, just depends what you think is important.
I pesonally think it would be highly amusing to make a Scoob, Boxster etc etc driver work very hard to out accelerate a Diesel rep mobile. Got to love these new generation diesels !
14 July 2004, 07:29 PM
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'Turd. Polish. Can't.'
I have a Boxster and get regularly smoked by the reps in their diesels but I prefer the way a car handles rather than it's ability to burn off the line, and for my money I'd take a Mondy TDci over a Vectroid any day of the week.
14 July 2004, 10:03 PM
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Must admint I would rather have the Mondeo, I was staggered when I bought mine to how much they had come on, but can you really honestly say that 90% of motorist know what heel and toe is, can do it safely and can be bothered in any rep-mobile, I cant do it in my Fiat but my old Mk2 Golf was a joy, in fact I would say I was quicker point to point in the 120 bhp Golf than the 250 bhp Fiat, in fact the Mondeo was a damn fine handler as well.
The Vectra is good at what it does, it just we dont really like what it does
The Vectra is good at what it does, it just we dont really like what it does
14 July 2004, 11:06 PM
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Some of the modern diesels are pretty good. That vectra is a 1.9 twin turbo and as far as I know (was told by somebody that works for Vauxhall HQ) it is going to be released. I would choose it over a bmw 3 series everytime. Driven both and hate the bmw.
15 July 2004, 03:25 AM
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the new Vectra is a decent enough car
Oh and whats with the indicators, I struggled to get used to them as so 80% of the new Vectra drivers I come up against....
15 July 2004, 09:42 AM
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Oh and whats with the indicators, I struggled to get used to them as so 80% of the new Vectra drivers I come up against....
The unusual thing about the Vectra is, it isn't a massive amount of torque (under 300ft-lb) for the rated BHP (200+ bhp). With the twin turbo it must be tuned for higher torque at higher rpm .... hence also the quickish 0-60 time.
In the VAG diesels the torque falls off quite sharply after 3000rpm, maybe the twin turbo setup keeps it more level.
15 July 2004, 02:19 PM
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You have never driven a Vectra then .......... ?????????
Opel chose the Vectra to re-invent the turning indicators. There are no positive clicks left or right. Instead, you simply dab the stalk naturally, the indicator blinks until cancelled - this is the tricky part. To cancel the indicator, you merely prod the indicator in the other direction but you invariably tend to overdo it and start indicating that you're going the other way.
15 July 2004, 02:21 PM
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Or put it another way
Thanks to Richard Porter
VECTRA INDICATORS 'CANNOT BE STOPPED'
A Vectra, still indicating,
ysetreday
Red faced Vauxhall engineers have been forced to admit that the indicators on its latest Vectra cannot be stopped. The not-acclaimed mid-ranger attracted much criticism at launch for its smart-arsed indicator stalk which attempted to reinvent a part of the car that has worked perfectly well for the past 50-odd years and was in no way crying out to be buggered about with. Now Luton sources have conceded that there is no way to stop the Vectra's indicators, ever ever ever. 'We thought that you could cancel them by quickly nudging the stalk the other way,' claimed one engineer. 'But that just triggers the opposite indicator. Then, when you try to cancel that, the whole deeply annoying cycle starts again. Even turning the ignition off doesn't seem to work. In fact, I've just been into the big shed where we keep our old crash test vehicles. We completed the main frontal, side and rear impact tests for the Vectra over three years ago. Turns out the indicators are still going. What are the chances of that, eh?'
However, one boffin within Vauxhall HQ says there may be one possible solution; 'The only answer to the problem is to never use the indicators in the first place,' he claimed. 'Fortunately, since we sell most Vectras to moustachioed sales drong fleets they're way ahead of us on this one.'
A Vectra, still indicating,
ysetreday
Red faced Vauxhall engineers have been forced to admit that the indicators on its latest Vectra cannot be stopped. The not-acclaimed mid-ranger attracted much criticism at launch for its smart-arsed indicator stalk which attempted to reinvent a part of the car that has worked perfectly well for the past 50-odd years and was in no way crying out to be buggered about with. Now Luton sources have conceded that there is no way to stop the Vectra's indicators, ever ever ever. 'We thought that you could cancel them by quickly nudging the stalk the other way,' claimed one engineer. 'But that just triggers the opposite indicator. Then, when you try to cancel that, the whole deeply annoying cycle starts again. Even turning the ignition off doesn't seem to work. In fact, I've just been into the big shed where we keep our old crash test vehicles. We completed the main frontal, side and rear impact tests for the Vectra over three years ago. Turns out the indicators are still going. What are the chances of that, eh?'
However, one boffin within Vauxhall HQ says there may be one possible solution; 'The only answer to the problem is to never use the indicators in the first place,' he claimed. 'Fortunately, since we sell most Vectras to moustachioed sales drong fleets they're way ahead of us on this one.'