Cooper S vs Cooper S works
29 March 2004, 01:20 PM
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Cooper S vs Cooper S works
Anyone able to comment on whether the works pack is worth the extra £3.5k?
Will a works pack Cooper S be quicker than my Clio Cup for in gear acceleration?
Will a works pack Cooper S be quicker than my Clio Cup for in gear acceleration?
29 March 2004, 02:10 PM
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Might be worth posting on http://www.mini2.com
Quite a few tuned MINI owners over there.....
The Cooper S is pretty lardy, with Air Con and 17" wheels it's around 1250kg's. Once moving the tuned MINI's do go pretty well, 30-70 particulary good.
Have a look here
Some time comparisons of tuned MINI's http://www.ross-tech.net/andy/mini/d...artermile.html
Quite a few tuned MINI owners over there.....
The Cooper S is pretty lardy, with Air Con and 17" wheels it's around 1250kg's. Once moving the tuned MINI's do go pretty well, 30-70 particulary good.
Have a look here
Some time comparisons of tuned MINI's http://www.ross-tech.net/andy/mini/d...artermile.html
29 March 2004, 02:24 PM
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Not too sure but IIRC the Clio Cup preety much outperforms the Copper S Works in nearly every performance category.
The only category it could be argued to be better in is handling.
The only category it could be argued to be better in is handling.
29 March 2004, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FrenchBoy
Not too sure but IIRC the Clio Cup preety much outperforms the Copper S Works in nearly every performance category.
Autocar tested the similar powered but more rev happy Hartge Cooper S 30-70 at 5.3 secs which is also faster than the Clio Cup.
It has a problem getting it's power down, I doubt there is a great deal in it mind in the real world
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29 March 2004, 05:09 PM
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I've got a test drive scheduled in a "Works" at the end of the week. I'll let you know how I get on.
According to EVO its got slightly more BHP ton than a Cup and more torque. So it should be slightly quicker?
According to EVO its got slightly more BHP ton than a Cup and more torque. So it should be slightly quicker?
29 March 2004, 05:16 PM
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They are pretty long geared that one of the problems and the engine has a pretty linear power delivery so feels a little less responsive than a Clio Cup...
I'm not doing it any favours am I
I'm easily faster down the twisty bits in my Cooper S than I was in my TVR Cerbera, mainly because it handles so well and it inspires confidence...
Pics of mine http://www.angrybeats.co.uk
There are far better and better value conversions than the Works however with the Works you retain the full factory warranty
I'm not doing it any favours am I
I'm easily faster down the twisty bits in my Cooper S than I was in my TVR Cerbera, mainly because it handles so well and it inspires confidence...
Pics of mine http://www.angrybeats.co.uk
There are far better and better value conversions than the Works however with the Works you retain the full factory warranty
29 March 2004, 06:29 PM
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Well your 3500 quid gets you a new cylinder head, new supercharger, new ECU and exhaust. IMHO its not too bad value for money, afterall if the PPP had a new turbo and heads in it the cost would be about the same.
I looked at the S works when I was looking for my WRX - in the end the call of AWD and a boxer 4 got me
There is a company offering the Cooper S Works "Thruxton" I think its called.
Power is 250(ish)bhp with another 10% gain in torque. Might be worth a look, but I think the conversion is a bit more expensive than the SW.
I looked at the S works when I was looking for my WRX - in the end the call of AWD and a boxer 4 got me
There is a company offering the Cooper S Works "Thruxton" I think its called.
Power is 250(ish)bhp with another 10% gain in torque. Might be worth a look, but I think the conversion is a bit more expensive than the SW.
29 March 2004, 06:34 PM
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220 bhp from 1.6, I wonder how long they will last, not being funny, just interested because they arent exactly the last word in engine design based on what I have read.
29 March 2004, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
220 bhp from 1.6, I wonder how long they will last, not being funny, just interested because they arent exactly the last word in engine design based on what I have read.
30 March 2004, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil M
Engine is a cast iron block (like a skylines) so very strong, and 220hp from a 1.6 only similar to getting 300hp out of a scoob.
just so you know, AMD Teknik tune the cooper s to 275 bhp for 5.5k ......
30 March 2004, 10:48 AM
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Have they fixed the exploding gearbox problems?
Just that I remember Santa Pod last year, when the minis were shredding boxes all over the place!
Just that I remember Santa Pod last year, when the minis were shredding boxes all over the place!
30 March 2004, 10:50 AM
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The numerous quality and reliability issues that the older BMW Minis suffer from are meant to have been resolved by BMW from late 2003. If not it's going to cost them a lot in warranty claims.
30 March 2004, 10:54 AM
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LOL been abusing mine for 20k miles and no problem as yet...taken it up Santa Pod a few times too...
Infact no problems reported on MINI2.com the tuning companies will not offer a warranty on the gearboxes on anything over 240hp...and the Works official conversion uses the standard Box so must be reliable...
Infact no problems reported on MINI2.com the tuning companies will not offer a warranty on the gearboxes on anything over 240hp...and the Works official conversion uses the standard Box so must be reliable...
30 March 2004, 10:58 AM
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wow a whole 20K miles, that's a lot isn't it. Wonder what it will be like after a decent mileage?
Fact is the Mini has suffered from a lot of failures/quality problems as you'd expect with a new model, to be fair though I've only heard gearbox mentioned with highly tuned aftermarket cars.
Fact is the Mini has suffered from a lot of failures/quality problems as you'd expect with a new model, to be fair though I've only heard gearbox mentioned with highly tuned aftermarket cars.
30 March 2004, 11:12 AM
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wow a whole 20K miles, that's a lot isn't it
I intend to change my car in 6mths so big mileage will not effect me...
Any problems on those old nails you chose to drive then Nacro or are they as reliable as your bulging bank balance ??
30 March 2004, 11:23 AM
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So far I've done 50K in my 'classic' Impreza with just routine servicing, the MK2 Golf I use for running around in has done 60K+ miles (since I owned it- now on 105,000) and just suffered a clutch failure, the M3 I keep for the track I haven't owned long enough to comment. All of those cars are well proven late model examples of reliable cars. Perhaps owners of the later model minis will enjoy such reliable and trouble free motoring. Owners of the first model minis sure as hell won't.
The next owner of your car will bear the brunt of your abuse so that's pretty good for you. What fashion accessory do you plan to buy next? Something less effeminate perhaps? How about a nice MGR? Now you can tell I'm joking
The next owner of your car will bear the brunt of your abuse so that's pretty good for you. What fashion accessory do you plan to buy next? Something less effeminate perhaps? How about a nice MGR? Now you can tell I'm joking
30 March 2004, 11:37 AM
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I couldn't and wouldn't buy a 1999 GT3 as it's foolish to tie up capital that could be invested in property rather than depreciating and costing money to run.
Very nice car though, an improvment on this weeks fashion icon for sure, you will have to put some pictures of it up if you get it.
Very nice car though, an improvment on this weeks fashion icon for sure, you will have to put some pictures of it up if you get it.
31 March 2004, 08:02 PM
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Probably a bit to heavy with the cast iron block and all that, also the supercharger and intercooler add to the overall package, not bad throttle response mind, mines revs to 7,400rpm without any boost lag that some forced induction cars suffer from...
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I totally agree with mn_angrybeats' comments.
I had a P1 WR for 38 months until Oct '03 and a UK Turbo for 3.5 years prior to that. Both cars had Scoobysport decat exhausts and were 'quite'
quick.
Primarily I wanted a car with excellent driver involvment, secondly good residuals and cheap to run. The MCS hit the mark perfectly. I have now had the BBR 220Bhp conversion done and by 'seat of the pants' feel, I reckon it is as quick as my original Impreza once on the move and easily as quick on 'the twisties' as so many people like to put it.
The MCS is still a new car to the tuning world and I remember back in '97 when the Impreza was exactly the same and the RS guys regularly mocked the 'chocolate engine' in the Impreza. As for blown Gearboxes, I have not heard of anyone with the Gertrag 6-speed having issues before or after power increases.
I had a P1 WR for 38 months until Oct '03 and a UK Turbo for 3.5 years prior to that. Both cars had Scoobysport decat exhausts and were 'quite'
quick.Primarily I wanted a car with excellent driver involvment, secondly good residuals and cheap to run. The MCS hit the mark perfectly. I have now had the BBR 220Bhp conversion done and by 'seat of the pants' feel, I reckon it is as quick as my original Impreza once on the move and easily as quick on 'the twisties' as so many people like to put it.
The MCS is still a new car to the tuning world and I remember back in '97 when the Impreza was exactly the same and the RS guys regularly mocked the 'chocolate engine' in the Impreza. As for blown Gearboxes, I have not heard of anyone with the Gertrag 6-speed having issues before or after power increases.