Jeep, Forrester, or Land Rover ?
14 February 2003, 05:30 PM
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Friend of mine is thinking of putting about £25-30K into a 4x4...
Any ideas of teh pros/cons of these 3 which are on his shortlist.
Cheers,
Gastro
Any ideas of teh pros/cons of these 3 which are on his shortlist.
Cheers,
Gastro
14 February 2003, 05:40 PM
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OK - not for off-roading particularly - although he may use it from time to time on farmland.. Its mainly carrying capacity (diving equipment etc..) and certainly the discovery and jeep meet that criteria...
Any other info about the cars appreciated.
Cheers,
Gastro
Any other info about the cars appreciated.
Cheers,
Gastro
14 February 2003, 06:12 PM
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Ok, but is performance, handling etc an issue.
He is going to get mid 20's to the gallon buying a diesel Disco or Jeep so may as well have mid 20's in a Forester Turbo.
I know which I'd have, and it would'nt be from an English speaking nation
Oh, Ive got 2 Land Rovers and a Range Rover at present so am not anti Solihull.
He is going to get mid 20's to the gallon buying a diesel Disco or Jeep so may as well have mid 20's in a Forester Turbo.
I know which I'd have, and it would'nt be from an English speaking nation
Oh, Ive got 2 Land Rovers and a Range Rover at present so am not anti Solihull.
14 February 2003, 06:15 PM
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The car will be used day-to-day - so reasonable handling is a must etc..
Are there any of the latest Disco's on the secondhand market yet ?
Gastro
[Edited by Gastro - 2/14/2003 6:25:49 PM]
Are there any of the latest Disco's on the secondhand market yet ?
Gastro
[Edited by Gastro - 2/14/2003 6:25:49 PM]
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14 February 2003, 06:25 PM
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Hiya matey!!
Land Rovers are out unless you like fixing things that go wrong all the time!
Jeeps are rated highly
Forrester?? well, has all the street cred of a MilkFloat with residuals to go with it!
Try the BMW X5 or the new Volvo - as far as I can see they are the only two in it at £30k
The Honda CR-V is the best at the £16k pricepoint
Pete
[Edited by pslewis - 2/14/2003 6:27:38 PM]
Land Rovers are out unless you like fixing things that go wrong all the time!
Jeeps are rated highly
Forrester?? well, has all the street cred of a MilkFloat with residuals to go with it!
Try the BMW X5 or the new Volvo - as far as I can see they are the only two in it at £30k
The Honda CR-V is the best at the £16k pricepoint
Pete
[Edited by pslewis - 2/14/2003 6:27:38 PM]
14 February 2003, 11:04 PM
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landrover if you want it to rust quicker than a old fiat X19.
shogun if you like expensive fuel bills.
Jeep has good reviews.
forester if you wanna stick with scoobydoo.
X5 may be worth a look (I assume they are 4x4?)
Andy
shogun if you like expensive fuel bills.
Jeep has good reviews.
forester if you wanna stick with scoobydoo.
X5 may be worth a look (I assume they are 4x4?)
Andy
26 February 2003, 11:10 PM
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A secondhand Passat 4-Motion estate if he doesn't need the ground clearance. The bigger engined ones plummet in value in the first year or so, in fact the W8 4.0 litre can lose upto 60% in the first year! They have more bells and whistles than the ******* child of a mating of Mercedes and BMW options lists.
27 February 2003, 09:03 AM
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Jeep - good but expensive to live with (had 2).
Scoob Forest - great all-rounder, but less kudos (had 1).
Land Rover thingy - drop to bits (turned it down cos it clanked too much).
M.
Scoob Forest - great all-rounder, but less kudos (had 1).
Land Rover thingy - drop to bits (turned it down cos it clanked too much).
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27 February 2003, 09:21 AM
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Mate just bought a brand new Grand Cherokee for £27k cash last Saturday. It is the diesel one with common rail Merc engine (2.7 CRD) - 2.7 litre diesel so you get (perhaps) 30mpg....
The Jeep dealer is currently bringing it in from Austria so he should have it within the week - so supply can't be too bad.
He couldn't find any 2nd hand ones at less than 25k so residuals must be ok for the diesel one - plus nice german engine.
Not my personal choice as not a huge fan of Jeeps, but probably does the job well.
The Jeep dealer is currently bringing it in from Austria so he should have it within the week - so supply can't be too bad.
He couldn't find any 2nd hand ones at less than 25k so residuals must be ok for the diesel one - plus nice german engine.
Not my personal choice as not a huge fan of Jeeps, but probably does the job well.
27 February 2003, 09:43 AM
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I'm test driving the volvo xc90 tonight so i'll let you know. It looks fantastic.
If you can find an x5 for 30 grand please let me know where from. More like 40k from what I've seen.
Merc is supposed to have bad build quality but a good engine, but I haven't driven one.
Range rovers are nice, but reliability is an issue from what I've been told.
Paul
If you can find an x5 for 30 grand please let me know where from. More like 40k from what I've seen.
Merc is supposed to have bad build quality but a good engine, but I haven't driven one.
Range rovers are nice, but reliability is an issue from what I've been told.
Paul
27 February 2003, 09:52 AM
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I sold a Subaru to buy a Discovery and I don't regret it.
If you can find yourself a good specialist to keep it maintained then the costs aren't prohibitive.
Try driving one of the newer models with the ACE handling package, it handles just like a car. Add to that a great big V8 engine and it makes for a great driving experience.
IMHO
If you can find yourself a good specialist to keep it maintained then the costs aren't prohibitive.
Try driving one of the newer models with the ACE handling package, it handles just like a car. Add to that a great big V8 engine and it makes for a great driving experience.
IMHO
27 February 2003, 10:12 AM
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it really depends what he wants....
If he needs a big 4x4 then he needs a big 4x4, with discovery ground clearance etc...
..however if he just needs *some* ground clearance and 4wd but wants an enjoyable drive - octavia 4x4 estate will only set him back £16k.
IC
If he needs a big 4x4 then he needs a big 4x4, with discovery ground clearance etc...
..however if he just needs *some* ground clearance and 4wd but wants an enjoyable drive - octavia 4x4 estate will only set him back £16k.
IC
27 February 2003, 10:27 AM
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thanks for all the comments...
He's just bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee 2.7 CRD (ex-demo)
I must say I was impressed & its certainly fully loaded with toys !
Cheers,
Gastro
He's just bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee 2.7 CRD (ex-demo)
I must say I was impressed & its certainly fully loaded with toys !
Cheers,
Gastro
27 February 2003, 10:54 AM
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If you get a go in it, I'd beinterested in what you think of the handling etc. as we're getting one. (new baby messes with your mind - I always hated soft roaders)
cheers
Paul
cheers
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28 February 2003, 03:45 PM
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Not seen so much crap spouted about the disco 
. Wife just traded up her TDI for a TD5. It has ACE so handles well (even in the twisties) 
. After many years ownership, we have not had any real problems with either Disco, no rust, bits falling off and started everyday. TD5 fully loaded (7 seats, ACE, twin sunroof, electric everything, no cow hide) 21K and less than a year old at the time.
On my 2nd scooby, my classic got recovered 3 times in its last 3 months (must of known i was getting shot of it)and yet isn't our favourite supposed to be basically bulletproof in terms of JD power survey reliability.
I will get my coat
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Jim
[Edited by zilch - 2/28/2003 3:58:38 PM]
. Wife just traded up her TDI for a TD5. It has ACE so handles well (even in the twisties) . After many years ownership, we have not had any real problems with either Disco, no rust, bits falling off and started everyday. TD5 fully loaded (7 seats, ACE, twin sunroof, electric everything, no cow hide) 21K and less than a year old at the time.On my 2nd scooby, my classic got recovered 3 times in its last 3 months (must of known i was getting shot of it)and yet isn't our favourite supposed to be basically bulletproof in terms of JD power survey reliability.
I will get my coat
Cheers
Jim
[Edited by zilch - 2/28/2003 3:58:38 PM]
28 February 2003, 05:58 PM
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Jeep Cherokee's are pretty much as good off road as you can get bar a short wheel base Land Rover or a wrangler. Comfy with plenty of kit, big boot, bad dash board. On road behaviour isn't as good as X5 or Forrester, but streets better than a Land Rover. I've rented 4.7s up in Scotland for weekends really quite good not bad acceleration up to about 80. Jeeps are good value second hand.
I I decided to get a big 4 wheel drive and the short list came down to ML430 and Jeep 4.7 overlander (the X5 is too expensive only handles a bit better and has no low range transfer box)any way decided to get the ML430, loads of kit, fairly classy interior, big comfortable seats, comfy for long trips, some real off road ability (forestry tracks), resonable performance, big boot 1061 litres seat up. Prefer the looks to the jeep a bit classier to go to a posh hotel in. The V8s are bargains just now W 2000 £25k, due to pick up begin of march.
My Brother had a Land Rover 110 12 seater 2.5TD, really basic,really bad seats (they have ruined his back), very noisy at speed really agricultural, he now has a Discovery which is much better, looks good, but as a proper hard working off roader I would get a Jeep Grand Cherokee before the Discovery.
One of my clients had a Subaru forester, never drove it but it was quick and he took it over to spain on to unmade roads, he loved it. Subarus are supposed to be very reliable too. Doesn't have much ground clearence and I don't think it has a low ratio transfer box for serious stuff.
I I decided to get a big 4 wheel drive and the short list came down to ML430 and Jeep 4.7 overlander (the X5 is too expensive only handles a bit better and has no low range transfer box)any way decided to get the ML430, loads of kit, fairly classy interior, big comfortable seats, comfy for long trips, some real off road ability (forestry tracks), resonable performance, big boot 1061 litres seat up. Prefer the looks to the jeep a bit classier to go to a posh hotel in. The V8s are bargains just now W 2000 £25k, due to pick up begin of march.
My Brother had a Land Rover 110 12 seater 2.5TD, really basic,really bad seats (they have ruined his back), very noisy at speed really agricultural, he now has a Discovery which is much better, looks good, but as a proper hard working off roader I would get a Jeep Grand Cherokee before the Discovery.
One of my clients had a Subaru forester, never drove it but it was quick and he took it over to spain on to unmade roads, he loved it. Subarus are supposed to be very reliable too. Doesn't have much ground clearence and I don't think it has a low ratio transfer box for serious stuff.
28 February 2003, 06:05 PM
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I have to say the Mercedes 2.7 CRD engine is excellent (by diesel standards!) - lots of torque.
Test drove the new Forrester and was very disappointed - granted that its competing in a different league of 4x4. But saying that £23000 for full spec forrester vs £26800 for an ex-demo Jeep with lots of kit + extra's....
Gastro
Test drove the new Forrester and was very disappointed - granted that its competing in a different league of 4x4. But saying that £23000 for full spec forrester vs £26800 for an ex-demo Jeep with lots of kit + extra's....
Gastro
01 March 2003, 03:45 PM
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Gastro,
You must ask yourself how many of those above offering advice are speaking from direct personal experience ... always the most reliable rather than "I read about it" or "A bloke at work said".
If you really need to know the answers, best to search for and visit those sites dealing with these vehicles. Even then, much like people waiting in the Doctor's surgery, most there will have problems ...... keep this in mind. This can create a flase impression because most people who do not have problems won't be in the surgery ....
You must ask yourself how many of those above offering advice are speaking from direct personal experience ... always the most reliable rather than "I read about it" or "A bloke at work said".
If you really need to know the answers, best to search for and visit those sites dealing with these vehicles. Even then, much like people waiting in the Doctor's surgery, most there will have problems ...... keep this in mind. This can create a flase impression because most people who do not have problems won't be in the surgery ....
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My old man has an S Turbo Forester and it's Funny as F**k watching the faces of the GTi drivers.. 0-60 in 7+ odd seconds is extremely respectable.. It's comfortable if a little plasticky inside and the bodyshell could use a little steel behind the paint (I swear heavy rain would dent it) but all in all delightful..
Mum's been using a Landy for many years now and I've had to borrow it when my various vehicles have needed a hospital visit..
Good points: Built like a nuclear bunker (got t-boned by an Audi A4 - moving me at least 3 metres sdeways - Result? A4 about the length of a mini / Landy had bent footplate and lost a bit of paint)
Bad Points: Woefully slow; actually feel it slowing on any incline - thirstier than a camel with a mouthful of cream crackers.
Just my 2p and I know it's a bit redundant but what the hey..
Mum's been using a Landy for many years now and I've had to borrow it when my various vehicles have needed a hospital visit..
Good points: Built like a nuclear bunker (got t-boned by an Audi A4 - moving me at least 3 metres sdeways - Result? A4 about the length of a mini / Landy had bent footplate and lost a bit of paint)
Bad Points: Woefully slow; actually feel it slowing on any incline - thirstier than a camel with a mouthful of cream crackers.
Just my 2p and I know it's a bit redundant but what the hey..
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