BMW E60 M5 advice
BMW E60 M5 advice
04 August 2014, 08:27 PM
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Not really a back road blaster I want.
I love the idea of a 5 litre V10 that revs to 8000rpm.
Not a huge fan of the E92 M3.
I'm open to suggestions as to what other people would suggest.
I want quality, prestige, build quality, torque. Done the Subaru thing twice and would only really consider a 22B or a Hawk Spec C Type RA.
My short list are
BMW M5
BMW M6
Audi RS4 although to me they're a bit bland and sterile
Porsche Cayman S
Porsche 996/997 Carrera 2/4S
I love the idea of a 5 litre V10 that revs to 8000rpm.
Not a huge fan of the E92 M3.
I'm open to suggestions as to what other people would suggest.
I want quality, prestige, build quality, torque. Done the Subaru thing twice and would only really consider a 22B or a Hawk Spec C Type RA.
My short list are
BMW M5
BMW M6
Audi RS4 although to me they're a bit bland and sterile
Porsche Cayman S
Porsche 996/997 Carrera 2/4S
04 August 2014, 10:38 PM
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Drive one, although given age it will be tricky as it is no longer in production. I would strike torque off your list, my overall impression from the drive was of ride quality, chuckable, loved the SMG III, revs, lovely noise and epic power over 6000 RPM. I didn't buy one as I wanted one car all year round, but ended up buying AWD car that is far less refined and comfortable so got a winter/comfort car anyway.
V10 RS6 has many things to commend it too. You can include torque on your list then. They also seem reliable.
V10 RS6 has many things to commend it too. You can include torque on your list then. They also seem reliable.
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05 August 2014, 07:37 AM
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Drive one, although given age it will be tricky as it is no longer in production. I would strike torque off your list, my overall impression from the drive was of ride quality, chuckable, loved the SMG III, revs, lovely noise and epic power over 6000 RPM. I didn't buy one as I wanted one car all year round, but ended up buying AWD car that is far less refined and comfortable so got a winter/comfort car anyway.
V10 RS6 has many things to commend it too. You can include torque on your list then. They also seem reliable.
V10 RS6 has many things to commend it too. You can include torque on your list then. They also seem reliable.
Are there any known faults? I've done a bit of digging and can't really come up with much
05 August 2014, 07:53 AM
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There was some stuff on I think pistonheads, the clutch is like a manual but lasts about 40-60000 miles some suggested. It is a complex and expensive engine, Dingdongler on here let his go partly because of a difficult to diagnose fault iirc.
05 August 2014, 08:54 AM
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So long as you have the money to run it then they're stunning, but over £1k for a set of discs/pads, tyres wear quick and £££, and much more besides.
I thought about doing the same (i.e. M5 Tourer for the weekends + small commuting car) but the potential costs were too great for me so got the 535d instead so I can use it all week. Okay it's no M5 but not bad all the same.
I thought about doing the same (i.e. M5 Tourer for the weekends + small commuting car) but the potential costs were too great for me so got the 535d instead so I can use it all week. Okay it's no M5 but not bad all the same.
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05 August 2014, 09:04 AM
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So long as you have the money to run it then they're stunning, but over £1k for a set of discs/pads, tyres wear quick and £££, and much more besides.
I thought about doing the same (i.e. M5 Tourer for the weekends + small commuting car) but the potential costs were too great for me so got the 535d instead so I can use it all week. Okay it's no M5 but not bad all the same.
I thought about doing the same (i.e. M5 Tourer for the weekends + small commuting car) but the potential costs were too great for me so got the 535d instead so I can use it all week. Okay it's no M5 but not bad all the same.
The way I look at it is I spent a fortune on modifying my 1st STi and was never 100% happy with it. My 2nd JDM Hawk was a gorgeous car and I loved it a bit but I'm now over 40 and long overdue a mid life crisis so a M5 or Porsche fits that bill well
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05 August 2014, 10:56 AM
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Don't know, as it is a robotic gearbox there may be other methods, eg software check etc. Perhaps there are adaptation settings to read. Just find all the buying guides you can and search all the forums.
05 August 2014, 02:07 PM
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m5,m6 clutch,vanos -heavy car ,automatic only,looks like standard 5,6 series
cayman -worst acceleration than wrx ppp,looks gayish, i would not touch porsche without turbo,nowhere near jdm hawk with power delivery
rs4 -carbon and suspension to check-nice stance,handling, 4x4,manual -with rs6 twinturbo engine could be great car
for money-power SL55 will be my choice ,looks outside better (with correct alloys)than any above,with brutal exhaust sound,
inside m6 looks very good.
cayman -worst acceleration than wrx ppp,looks gayish, i would not touch porsche without turbo,nowhere near jdm hawk with power delivery
rs4 -carbon and suspension to check-nice stance,handling, 4x4,manual -with rs6 twinturbo engine could be great car
for money-power SL55 will be my choice ,looks outside better (with correct alloys)than any above,with brutal exhaust sound,
inside m6 looks very good.
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05 August 2014, 05:19 PM
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If someone offered me a WRX PPP or a Porsche Cayman S I'd know what I'd go for. It may struggle to keep up with a JDM Scooby in a traffic light derby but there's a lot more to it than that - minor details such as refinement, handling etc.
But don't worry you stick with your ricer
05 August 2014, 09:32 PM
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E60 M5's are pretty mega to be fair, it's a very capable car and that engine is just awesome, I don't remember there being any major faults, much more reliable than the E46 M3's were at the time, but as others have said, simple consumables like brakes and tires are not cheap!! Add to that the servicing costs and the mpg and they are expensive cars to run. The gearbox isn't exactly what you'd call smooth round town either, but if your thinking of it for weekend trips away etc it'll be a very enjoyable place to be!
Personally, I'd save a stack of cash and go for the mintest E39 M5 you can find, they're built like you'd expect a BMW to be and extremely reliable, arguably you'll have just as much fun and they are just as capable for weekend jaunts, its a much more analogue car but no worse for it, plus in terms of running costs it'll be far easier to live with and a buying a good one now might make for a decent investment, you certainly shouldn't loose money. Oh and with the right exhaust the sound is something else!!
Personally, I'd save a stack of cash and go for the mintest E39 M5 you can find, they're built like you'd expect a BMW to be and extremely reliable, arguably you'll have just as much fun and they are just as capable for weekend jaunts, its a much more analogue car but no worse for it, plus in terms of running costs it'll be far easier to live with and a buying a good one now might make for a decent investment, you certainly shouldn't loose money. Oh and with the right exhaust the sound is something else!!
05 August 2014, 09:42 PM
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E60 M5's are pretty mega to be fair, it's a very capable car and that engine is just awesome, I don't remember there being any major faults, much more reliable than the E46 M3's were at the time, but as others have said, simple consumables like brakes and tires are not cheap!! Add to that the servicing costs and the mpg and they are expensive cars to run. The gearbox isn't exactly what you'd call smooth round town either, but if your thinking of it for weekend trips away etc it'll be a very enjoyable place to be!
Personally, I'd save a stack of cash and go for the mintest E39 M5 you can find, they're built like you'd expect a BMW to be and extremely reliable, arguably you'll have just as much fun and they are just as capable for weekend jaunts, its a much more analogue car but no worse for it, plus in terms of running costs it'll be far easier to live with and a buying a good one now might make for a decent investment, you certainly shouldn't loose money. Oh and with the right exhaust the sound is something else!!
Personally, I'd save a stack of cash and go for the mintest E39 M5 you can find, they're built like you'd expect a BMW to be and extremely reliable, arguably you'll have just as much fun and they are just as capable for weekend jaunts, its a much more analogue car but no worse for it, plus in terms of running costs it'll be far easier to live with and a buying a good one now might make for a decent investment, you certainly shouldn't loose money. Oh and with the right exhaust the sound is something else!!
As much as I love the E39 it's the luxury and toys in the E60 that appeals. HUD, adaptive seats etc etc.
The E39 is really beginning to look its age.
05 August 2014, 10:02 PM
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I was looking for a nice E39 M5 insurance 2005 and struggled to find a nice one then so got an M3. Now it must be scraping the barrel, but I did want something like new, or at a few years old as good as my cars are at 5 at least!
06 August 2014, 12:40 AM
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I'm planning to drive a BMW approved used E60 M5 at some point over the next few days.. because as much as I try, I can't get the urge to experience that screaming V10 out of my mind..... I'm actually hoping to be completely underwhelmed, otherwise things may get rather expensive.
Cheers,
Grant
Cheers,
Grant
06 August 2014, 07:03 AM
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I ran one for about four years. All in all an awesome car, as I've said many times before the engine is epic.
Mine developed a fault that looking back probably was the vanos issue that you can read about all over the web.
I don't need to tell you about the upsides so here are the downsides
1) Fuel economy and small tank means big bills and frequent stops.
2) Gearbox is fine on the go but can be slow and clunky when doing three point turns etc
3) Torque. Below about 4k rpm the car can feel sluggish. Around town where you can't thrash/launch the car you can sometimes get caught out by lesser cars on the 0-40mph type 'race'.
My c63 amg has low down torque in buckets but doesn't pull as hard as the M5 further up. The perfect engine would have the low down pull of the c63 and the high end pull of the M5!
Personally I thought the V8 M3 engine wasn't particularly spectacular in any regard.
At speed its a different story. I once had a d1ck head in a Gallardo come right up my *** on the motorway and then try and undertake me. He got a nasty shock, but we got to silly speeds, not the sort of behaviour I'm proud of!
Perhaps you should consider a c63? More chuckable than the M5 but you won't get the same kind of toys. My M5 had ventilated seats which I really miss in weather like this!
Good luck!
Mine developed a fault that looking back probably was the vanos issue that you can read about all over the web.
I don't need to tell you about the upsides so here are the downsides
1) Fuel economy and small tank means big bills and frequent stops.
2) Gearbox is fine on the go but can be slow and clunky when doing three point turns etc
3) Torque. Below about 4k rpm the car can feel sluggish. Around town where you can't thrash/launch the car you can sometimes get caught out by lesser cars on the 0-40mph type 'race'.
My c63 amg has low down torque in buckets but doesn't pull as hard as the M5 further up. The perfect engine would have the low down pull of the c63 and the high end pull of the M5!
Personally I thought the V8 M3 engine wasn't particularly spectacular in any regard.
At speed its a different story. I once had a d1ck head in a Gallardo come right up my *** on the motorway and then try and undertake me. He got a nasty shock, but we got to silly speeds, not the sort of behaviour I'm proud of!
Perhaps you should consider a c63? More chuckable than the M5 but you won't get the same kind of toys. My M5 had ventilated seats which I really miss in weather like this!
Good luck!
06 August 2014, 07:57 AM
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this one looks decent to me.. right bits on it, head up display etc and a nice colour combo, BMW extended warranty also
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...xperiment=true
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...xperiment=true
06 August 2014, 08:40 AM
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I ran one for about four years. All in all an awesome car, as I've said many times before the engine is epic.
Mine developed a fault that looking back probably was the vanos issue that you can read about all over the web.
I don't need to tell you about the upsides so here are the downsides
1) Fuel economy and small tank means big bills and frequent stops.
2) Gearbox is fine on the go but can be slow and clunky when doing three point turns etc
3) Torque. Below about 4k rpm the car can feel sluggish. Around town where you can't thrash/launch the car you can sometimes get caught out by lesser cars on the 0-40mph type 'race'.
My c63 amg has low down torque in buckets but doesn't pull as hard as the M5 further up. The perfect engine would have the low down pull of the c63 and the high end pull of the M5!
Personally I thought the V8 M3 engine wasn't particularly spectacular in any regard.
At speed its a different story. I once had a d1ck head in a Gallardo come right up my *** on the motorway and then try and undertake me. He got a nasty shock, but we got to silly speeds, not the sort of behaviour I'm proud of!
Perhaps you should consider a c63? More chuckable than the M5 but you won't get the same kind of toys. My M5 had ventilated seats which I really miss in weather like this!
Good luck!
Mine developed a fault that looking back probably was the vanos issue that you can read about all over the web.
I don't need to tell you about the upsides so here are the downsides
1) Fuel economy and small tank means big bills and frequent stops.
2) Gearbox is fine on the go but can be slow and clunky when doing three point turns etc
3) Torque. Below about 4k rpm the car can feel sluggish. Around town where you can't thrash/launch the car you can sometimes get caught out by lesser cars on the 0-40mph type 'race'.
My c63 amg has low down torque in buckets but doesn't pull as hard as the M5 further up. The perfect engine would have the low down pull of the c63 and the high end pull of the M5!
Personally I thought the V8 M3 engine wasn't particularly spectacular in any regard.
At speed its a different story. I once had a d1ck head in a Gallardo come right up my *** on the motorway and then try and undertake me. He got a nasty shock, but we got to silly speeds, not the sort of behaviour I'm proud of!
Perhaps you should consider a c63? More chuckable than the M5 but you won't get the same kind of toys. My M5 had ventilated seats which I really miss in weather like this!
Good luck!
A friend of mine has just got a C63 which I'm detailing for him in 2-3 weeks. I'm not a huge Merc fan myself but I'm open to change. I'll be picking it up from his house and driving the 15 miles or so back to mine.
06 August 2014, 08:41 AM
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this one looks decent to me.. right bits on it, head up display etc and a nice colour combo, BMW extended warranty also
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...xperiment=true
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...xperiment=true
06 August 2014, 09:09 AM
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I'm planning to drive a BMW approved used E60 M5 at some point over the next few days.. because as much as I try, I can't get the urge to experience that screaming V10 out of my mind..... I'm actually hoping to be completely underwhelmed, otherwise things may get rather expensive.
Cheers,
Grant
Cheers,
Grant
06 August 2014, 11:04 AM
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Not that I've owned either but to talk about a car for the weekend and for satisfying a midlife itch I would have thought a Porsche would be the car to get, not a M5.
Surely you want to experience year's of engineering passion that has been focused on performance right from the beginning, not some big *** family bus with a big donkey in the front.
I'm sure that the M5 is epic, but as a rich man's family car or a top end rep car for beating up and down the motorway. If I could only have one car then the M5 ticks lot's of boxes, but as a weekend car it just seems, well wrong.
Surely you want to experience year's of engineering passion that has been focused on performance right from the beginning, not some big *** family bus with a big donkey in the front.
I'm sure that the M5 is epic, but as a rich man's family car or a top end rep car for beating up and down the motorway. If I could only have one car then the M5 ticks lot's of boxes, but as a weekend car it just seems, well wrong.
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06 August 2014, 11:53 AM
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Does it need to be petrol? Could you be swayed by a heavily stacked diesel? Remapped 535/335d (either E90/91/92 or F30/F31)?
Had my E92 330D for a month now and it still impresses me with ride, build quality and presence etc.
Had my E92 330D for a month now and it still impresses me with ride, build quality and presence etc.
06 August 2014, 01:27 PM
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Merc also seem to have come on leaps and bounds dynamically in the last 5 years or so, I'd be surprised if your not impressed.As for pistonheads, same here, and I'm not even in the market for a new car, it's an illness I swear lol