lordharding

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OK every year we do this to look at changes and ways to make things better or even move back wards and change

I will be doing a simar forum on CS and TTS and the LADS forum and now look forward to other comments from the wider cummunity .

Items to discuss

Have we gone too far with the NBO concept ?

Club stand judging ?

pushing the clubs to perfection ?

Car of the day competions ?and classes

Do clubs want to bother competing anymore ?

parking arrangement s ?

Cost of donations ?

raising money for charitys ?

lists of people attending ?

location of venue ?

Should we scrap ithe NBO and just to a track day at a differnt venue anf let someone else do it instead ?

The whole idea of tropheys and prizes

The raffle ?

Should we go back 7 years and just line up in a field ?

scrap the idea of club competions ?

Traders (we have tryed for 7 years and wrote hundreds of letters /phone calls ?

Judges ?


Should Other car groups eg EVOS be allowed (rember we had 140 cars extra this year £1400 for charity pot )

Your shout ?

Remember the NBO is an unique event away from track days and is run on a shoestring under £900 and we have still lost money but have raised nearly 9k yesterday and over 32k since we started all for charitys

Ive done the job for 7 years and been in the cummuunity for 9 years along with most of the NBO committee thats my background for any newbys


Any thing else

OK lets rip

ive got a skin thinker then an elephant "":
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The NBO Chairman (for all my sins ,please forgive me)

The Dogs B******s

You has 140 extra cars,but how many were non-subaru?

lordharding

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Aprox 70 which was £700 in the kitty then it is doubled by chris towers at BAE systems

stressymare

i dont think you shud scrap it tbh
i think its a good day although the same winners every year is getting a bit boring
and predictable
i think the donation shud go up to a tenner to round it off and more trade stands like nbo 4 i think there was loads
just my opinion

powerwrx

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my first nbo this year and i thinks its a quality event, i was expecting a few more trade stands tbh. having the evos there was a good thing to do in my opinion..i enjoyed looking around them and listening to some of the banter between the scoob & evo drivers was quite funny.
i think maybe there should have been abit for the kids to do ie bouncey castle that sort of stuff..granted it was at a theme park but not every one could afford the trip down there,the entrance fee to the nbo and then entrace to the theme park.

but having said all that,it's a great event that im sure will go on for a long time. well done to the organizers you do a great job..

Rice Rocket

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Stick with it and CHANGE The Car of the day competions ?and classes.

I think it should be more open to give everyone a chance as I saw ALOT of really nice scoobs parked in the field who thought theres werent good enough to complete with some.
If you own a garage and build a showish car to promote what you can do gives you more a chance of winning that joe bloggs who has a daily driver, spend X amount to win shows should be in a different class too. A car thats only a few years old with a few K on the clock, should be clean! over a cas thats got XXXk on the clock. I do think your car classes need to be looked at and have said this for years.

Tuner/garage class
Built to win shows/trailer queens
Age of car Non-modified (94 - 97 / 98-2000 / Bugeye / Blobeye / Hawkeye / Hatch)
Age of car Modified (94 - 97 / 98-2000 / Bugeye / Blobeye / Hawkeye / Hatch)
ICE
Best non subaru

or screw all the above and pick 10 judges etc and get them to go round the whole field and pick out cars that they think are the best to enter the competitions.

OR

AGAIN SCREW ALL THE ABOVE AND STICK WITH THE FORMAT thats old hat.

Wells that just my opinion.

Ricey

jap torque

i agree rice rocket with the show car comp needs some work its really hard one to sort mind lots things to consider im unsure what best format would be but i like some ur ideas
i enjoy showing my car and nbo gives me a chance to compete on leval playing field unlike some big shows where u need least 50k and car thats never out apart from show time think just needs be some clear guidelines few tweeks and all be dandy

hows about a top20 top50 arena wheres cars selected b4 the show then go head to head on the day?? parked up togther in a show area all day

girl-in-a-scoob

NYSOC offered a free of charge bouncy castle with insurance and when John (lord harding) checked with the powers that be it was decided we couldnt use it due to it being a threat to Lightwater Valley... competition and all that

zero260

The NBO for us this year was excellent, every zero260 member enjoyed the day and we all enjoyed looking at all the club stands etc.. but that was because we came to just enjoy the day and not to trophy hunt, we felt no pressure being new to the NBO scene.

This was the first time at the NBO for the Zero260 club but it wasn't the first time for me and I have seen over the years how much extra pressure each club organisers/moderators are feeling to put on a great display, not just at the NBO but at any event. This isn't down to the Event organisers putting this pressure on, this is just what happens when single marque clubs come head to head when trophies are involved.

When any event turns into a competition the daggers come out and the enjoyment goes, the big guns come out and the small get stomped on.lol

You always tend to get the same people/clubs that win each and every year because their budgets have grown, from show cars to club displays if the budget is there then it will be used which can be seen by others as being unfair.

My first year at the NBO was the best because everyone was there to enjoy the day, have a laugh and see some familier faces and motors. This year it seemed like the rivalry was huge and alot of pettyness came out when they felt under threat.

I feel that it should go back to basics, forget the tributes, forget the guest motors, forget the themes, just go back to the old fashion way of doing things and display the members cars in all their glory. At the end of the day that is what it is all about......the members and what they drive.

P.s. Don't just stick to Scoobs its great to see other kind of motors, but I would say that.lol

lordharding

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Good mix of comments there and thoughtful too

thanks

Im in a delema about scrapping the whole car club comp which if i do I personally think the visual part of the show will suffer and the enthuassim as well .

all clubs what ever budget went out to Impress from the likes of the excellent mcrae with only 7 cars who put on a fantastic display months of planning went into that also the D&G who got one ogf the highest marks of the day for their Ausie theme complete with kangaroos

Te
he CADS really came out of their shell this year and ticked many great boxes


Every Subaru club especially the new ones made a fantastic effort and I think they are motivated by the Big hitters and one day dream of being like them

thats why we divised so many sections to give the smaller clubs a chance of big points

the Kids section can get as many as the cars as I have watched the club scene develop so much and for the better in the last 7 days

Yes I can scrap the Club competion and it would be a damn sight easier for me and the judges and probably everyone else but...............
would that then mean clubs wouldn' bother and just turn up and put up a cheap tent and sit and talk all day

Is that what the spectators want ? and all those that spend weeks and months to make a great stand and show off to the community we belong?

2 years ago I was told the TTS and the top five were the best they could be then

LO BEHOLD the TTS and LADS raised the game again with the best car displays I have ever seen in my life .


do we want to go back to NBO 1 where everyone looks at rows of cars and that is it ?

McRAE-69

Thanks for the positive comments however we would like to add we had 1 of our members cars on another stand and 2 were spotted in the general parking in theory we could of made 10 McRae's together to make an impresive display especially as we are not a regional club.

We shall forward you some of feedback soon re the NBO soon

McRAE-69

Our Feedback from the McRae Owners.

Have we gone too far with the NBO concept ?

I think the concept is fantastic, It's a great way of showing the general scooby community what our clubs are about and not just a forum.

Club stand judging ?

We feel that some of the criteria is a little unfair especially to the likes of specialist clubs like ours?

pushing the clubs to perfection ?

There's nothing wrong with perfection however some feedback on what areas didn't do so well then they stand a chance of improving it for the following year would be apreciated to those who didn't make the top 5, because how can you improve something if you don't know which areas needed looking at?

Car of the day competions ?and classes

Car of the day and classes is a good concept but how about a club car from each display which impressed you the most?

Do clubs want to bother competing anymore ?

If were all are the same why would people turn up?

parking arrangement s ?

Is no problems that we noticed.

Cost of donations ?

£7.00 per car is a very reasonable charge and it's all for charity :-)

raising money for charitys ?

It's an excellent way of raising money for worth while causes but perhaps the club stands could get to know in advance?

lists of people attending ?

Possibly to keep the list to a minimal size could you just add your club and number of cars for each club e.g : S.M.O.C. 7 cars? rather than putting individual names and the club their from.

location of venue ?

The location is good and reasonably central for most clubs attending.

Should we scrap ithe NBO and just to a track day at a differnt venue anf let someone else do it instead ?

I think we have enough track days going on anyways and it wouldn't be the same atmosphere.

The whole idea of tropheys and prizes

This keeps the interest and makes the clubs work harder to get that gold.

The raffle ?

No issues with raffles.

Should we go back 7 years and just line up in a field ?

We don't see the point in that.

scrap the idea of club competions ?

No but perhaps it could be re-categorised?

Judges ?

Why not get the general public involved and ask them which club impressed them the most?

Should Other car groups eg EVOS be allowed (rember we had 140 cars extra this year £1400 for charity pot )

I thought it was a Scooby event not a Jap fest? but its a fair point with the extra for the pot. ;-)

lordharding

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lists of people attending ?

Possibly to keep the list to a minimal size could you just add your club and number of cars for each club e.g : S.M.O.C. 7 cars? rather than putting individual names and the club their from.


yes i like that one

the LADS and the CADS and the EVOS booked all their names together in a line and was impressive

the list is probably one of the most important working documents we have as its imperative to us the exact numer give or take 1 or 2 as we were frantically planning for 300 then 350 then 400 we had emergency plans drawn up then 420 and i think by memory we were only 5-10 out on the list

We have to book the isurance a week before the event and the list helps with our premium

every year we are no more then 20 out which is great for Gussy who dreams about filling the field to perfection


also we look at the list to see how many cars anre not members of clubs and aprox 80% are now club members 5 years ago less then 50% so the NBO has been great for recruitment of new members The LADS recruitment drive at NBO 3 was a great move forward for club development

great comments there

thanks

jap torque

i think all the feedback on sites is amazing just shows how far the nbo has came in last few years

Gotta be carful not to have to many rules end the day its a fun day out for every1 you dont want go down the commercial route make it in to a proper car show its also great so many people want give help and opinions for the cause this can only help inprove the NBO each and every year

Club stands have GOTTA STAY this is what makes the nbo so diffrent and the the club/family atmosphere the stands bring is what makes this event specail people that moan just need to take a look at them selfs get there heads down in prepration for next years event

Again i thought was a great day out every one was friendly chatting away yeah need more traders but i understand this just isnt easy few minor tweeks needed but the concept is spot on and im sure next year will be even bigger i carnt wait

Jamz_

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I will be saying this as ive not actually been to the show, but read everyone else's comments and seen all the pictures and it looks like an amazing show...

Im used to all the ford shows, where there are just normal stands with cars clean and lined up perfectly, but looking at all the pictures from clubs like TTS, they go all out on the stands, making like a rally workshop type thing which i thought was great!!!

I have been to the light water valley show grounds a few times in the past with the ford shows (these have now been moved to pickering show grounds) and it started to get a bit boring towards the end of the day as its the same cars there from the morning, and im not really a theme park person!

The only shows i love around the year is when there is track action too! There is always something good to watch on track!

May i say maybe consider having a Croft NBO, where you have the show and track action take place side by side?!

The RS Owners club do this, and its one hell of a great show, there are trade stands for all sorts of bits (car cleaning, shiny bits, oils, brakes....) track action from 9am till 5pm, 0-60 sprints, and ofcourse all the other cars attending the show!

Jasoon

Just so you all no NBO 7 Photos are on northernbigone.com now.....

gussy

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Jamz if we had unlimited funds we might be able to try something like that but alas the NBO is organised on a shoestring everybody involved gives their free time to try and make it work our hardest bit is getting traders 100's of e-mails/letters are sent out well in advance and thankfully we have a hardcore of traders who have supported us from day one,a good thing this year was inviting the evo's gave a bit of intrest and we may well invite another car type club for next year.As was said earlier the car club theme is a good thing and unfortunatly each year there are the big hitters which in a way overshadows the smaller clubs its something we may have to look at when we sit down and start organising next years NBO.You also have to relise that Lightwater valley is quite central easy access to capture most car clubs its just a shame that the southern clubs dont have a go at attending maybe our shandys are a bit to strong for them

lordharding

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Yes grest comments and great positve stuff coming through

Lots say that LV has had its day for us but for the last 4 years we have only had 300 cars

this year switched it from Fathers day forward two weeks

Invite Kostas EVO invasion and the 260 Club and WOW we get extra 130 cars

great and we raised nearly 9 k for Charity


Unfortunely as Gussy says the truth is we have no money We have begged borrowed and stole If it wasn't for one of our greatest donors we wouldn'yt have £300 for any tropheys

all the NBO committee do it for free ,to share the <vision> the Insurance is a Killer for us and this year for the first time we had to pay LV for the field as they didnt get enough people in from the vouchers ,fair play to them as all the facilities are thee for us .

the running costs nearly 1k

thats why we need the donations of the traders this year we got 8 so again we lost

If I had 10k to spend we could hire croft for a day have a 2 day event with camping and security for the night to stop those drunk wandering off

That is the dilema we face

BoozyDave

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it was my 1st time and i thought it was a good day

could do with more trade stands

the club stands were spot on, alot of effort put in

liked the idea of the show arena

i was dissapointed with the ICE comp, i heard the winner while walking around and thought it sounded awful (see how many speaker we can throw into a car and not bothered how good it sounds), the 2nd place car sounded 10 times better. i voiced my opinion to the judges and they said it looked better

liked the raffle, some good prizes

scoobyphil2000

cheers mate

simpsons !

Hi, I'm not quite sure how close you were to the winners car or not when he was on 'song' but the woman in the car also entering the comp was blasting her toons out over the top of the winners car which was very annoying for those of us near the bottom of the field as we didn't get to here the winner!

Simpsons !

wrxWillo

I think the club stand competition is a good idea but feedback is needed or simply a points sheet given to the respective clubs committee members to see what areas they've done well in and which areas they need to improve on.

I think the car competition arena is also a good concept as it gives a focus to the whole day but an award for the best car per club would be a nice idea too I think. This could possibly be judged at the same time as the club stand judging and therefore not creating much more work.

I like the idea of other marques on show too as it adds a bit of variety but need to be careful it doesn't detract from what the show is about - Subarus!. Maybe have a clearly defined guest area where the guest clubs are located.

I've been to the past 3 NBOs and NBO7 has been my favourite so far. It didn't rain either which was a bonus so I think you should definately think about booking good weather again LOL

McRAE-69

I totally agree but to save on the cost perhaps a medal could be awarded to the best club car, maybe it could be an inter club car competition where 1 member from each club and looks around the other clubs and picks 1 car from each stand that impressed them the most??

lordharding

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Yes the idea of a best car on each club stand is growing momentum as I think there was some amazing cars that were on the stands but didnt want to go onto the arena

what we have tryed to do over the last couple of years is look at club structure and management eg Swags , Equipment ,Club members, correct corporate image and impact on the day and of course theme this has really given the smaller clubs a real chance in getting big points witrh the Mcrae ,D&G and CADS although small groups with small budget a real chance
we bascally set the policy club is for members nd organisation and cars are for the arena

but there is lots of things we are going to have to totally overall now re the Club competion duer to so much negative feedback we have had as everyone wants the Gold

McRAE-69

Not everyone is wanting that gold, it's the taking part and the clubs enthusiasm that can make a great club. We personally feel that specialist clubs such as ours are penalised because we lose 20 points for not having a variety of models as all our models are the same.

From our club.

wrxWillo

I think a judgement of something like:-

Stand layout
professionalism of stand
Invitingness of stand
Club Information
Club Structure
Welcomingness club of members
Cleanliness of cars

would be a fairer way to judge. as opposed to how different, what theme, having the X-factor and what brand of tea you serve!!!!(we got asked that?)


The best car in each club could then be invited to the central judging area for judging of best car of the day. Could then even have a ballot if each entrant got a ballot paper for their £7.00

McRAE-69

How do you mean club structure?

TingTongPJ

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it was my first nbo and have to say a very enjoyable day and very well organised.

couple of points for me that would have improved the day for me (i would def attend another one)

more trade stands would be nice,

i was planning on buying some suspension parts but the only stand that had any was over the top expensive even with the show 30% discount they where offering (more would mean better prices due to competition). i would guess they did'nt actually sell that much.

whomever decided to have a anti lag sound off right in the middle of the car judging event spoilt the judging for me, not sure if this was to try to draw the crowd away from the judging or just miss-timed innocence, perhaps a mini competition for the future if your into that.

payment for entry i agree with the above could have been £10 but i think per person rather than car with childrens entry for free.

childrens entertainment if a bouncy castle is out of the question what about face painting or something like that, more money for charity and a bit of fun for the kids.

i'm a subaru fan but i quite enjoyed looking at the evo's on display so if the end result ie, charity gains then i don't mind other cars in the slightest.

McRAE-69

I believe it was the RB5 Owners club flaming their exhausts :-( and there was face painting going on somewhere but we didn't find it

wrxWillo

Sorry yes, not very clear.

Stuff like:-

How much to join?
What's in your starter pack?
Have you got club discounts set up?
What club merchandise is available?
What events are organised?
Who are the committee members and what are there roles?
Do you have regular meet?
Club Stickers on cars?



Basically tangible criteria that help determine how good a club is