RICH WILD

Hi folks,

Thanks to all who attended.

Nice to see some big names there again, Harvey, Bob Rawle, Mark Aigin, Trout, Pat, John Banks, Andy F, Pavlo, etc. etc.

Here are the results, sorry they've taken so long but I've been double checking the figures and counting the dots to make sure they are as correct as possible. On the day it's hard to read the torque figures exactly from the graph (I miscounted my own by 10lbsft!), so here the are.....





1. Graham Wild Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution (HKS filter, Custom exhaust, Unichip) 246bhp @ 6346 240lbsft @ 3600 (200lbsft @1500rpm!)

2. Dave **** Audi TT225 (standard) 223bhp @ 6120 195lbsft @ 3000

3.Yorkshire Simon STi7 ( PPP) 311bhp @ 6773 315lbsft @ 3750

4. Steve F P1 (full Scorpion decat exhaust with Scoobysport 3" -2.5" downpipe, Blitz LM induction kit) 312bhp @ 6800 (although he did get 326bhp twice) 270lbsft @ 4750

5. Paul Corrigan MY98 Terzo (HKS Hiper exhaust, HKS SPF filter) 256bhp @ 6346 218lbsft @ 5900

6. Dave Wallis UK 94 Turbo wagon (Custom FMIC, HKS racing suction kit, full HKS decat (modded to open neck), ScoobyECU remap, Custom uppipe, Nitrous(!), ported headers, custom fuel rails, uprated fuel pump, Cosworth fuel pressure reg, water injection, 550 injectors, Bosch ignition coils, NGKPFR7B plugs, ) 282bhp @ 6506 (only running 10 psi) 265lbsft @ 4500

7. Alan Smith MY98 Terzo (HKS FMIC with custom pipework, Apexi power FC, uprated fuel pump, HKS iridium plugs, HKS SPF induction, HKS fuel pressure reg, HKS decat with Hiper Muffler) 297bhp @ 6380 250lbsft @ 5000

8. Peccy MY00 UK Turbo (Blitz NUR Spec R, TSL downpipe, Blitz DV) 275bhp @ 6453 244lbsft @ 4100

9. Tone Loc MY93 WRX (Remapped ECU, Magnex dp and centre, Scoobysport Backbox, K&N 57I, Bailey DV) 271bhp @ 6022 252lbsft @ 5250

10. Robbo64 MY98 UK Turbo (Magnex centre, Scoobysport Backbox and Downpipe, K&N filter, Dawes Device, Intercooler scoop mod) 255bhp @ 6490 220lbsft @ 4150

11. AndyF MY95 WRX RA (Custom Induction, FMIC and exhaust, Hybrid TD05/06, STi4 pistons, uprated fuel pump, FSE regulator, twin BOCD, 550 injectors, parallel fuel feed rails, remapped JECS ECU) 417bhp @ 7585 290lbsft @ 6800

12. . Stan S MY98 UK Turbo Wagon (rebored 2.0litre, uprated internals, raised compression, 550cc injectors, GEMS ECU, lightened flywheel, uprated fuel pump, MD309 turbo, SS downpipe and full decat, ported headers, water injection, forge VTA dumpvalve) 296bhp @ 6536 240lbsft @ 6050

13. Wes Barrett MY00 UK Turbo (TSL centre and backbox) 230bhp @ 6351 215bsft @ 4150

14. Richard B P1 (Scoobysport downpipe and mid, Afterburner backbox, Blitz LM induction kit) 280bhp @ 6933 230lbsft @ 5000

15. Steve McCulloch STi5 (APS Induction, APS FMIC, MD195 (or bigger) turbo, 3 bar actuator, Link ECU, 3 port boost solenoid, 3" Scoobysport DP, HKS Hiper, Forge DV, 740cc injectors, ported headers, uprated fuel pump and regulator, uprated internals) 389bhp @ 6475 320lbsft @ 6000

16. Bob Rawle STi5 (spec TBA) 407bhp @ 6536 332lbsft @ 6300

17.Rich Wild MY96 UK Turbo (Blitz SUS Induction, wrapped Hayward & Scott 3" dp, Blitz NUR Spec R system HKS FMIC with waterspray, HKS headers, HKS EVC3 Boost controller, HKS Iridium plugs, MRT lightened flywheel and engine pulleys, Link ECU, 550cc injectors, uprated fuel pump, power boost valve, GGR uppipe, Turbosmart DV, DIY earthing kit) 356bhp@ 6545 348lbsft @ 4800

18. Anthony Lawton MY93 WRX (standard) 253bhp @ 6460 215lbsft @ 5850

19. Steve Doyle MY00 (Jap Innovations decat centre, backbox, Dawes Device) 260bhp @ 6460 250lbsft @ 4000

20. Ady Howard P1 (Scoobysport backbox) 264bhp @ 6591 235lbsft @ 4750

21. Craft MY94 WRX (HKS filter, TSL downpipe, Trust Exhaust, Greddy boost controller) 267bhp @ 6300 240lbsft @ 5250

RICH WILD

POWER FIGURES

1. AndyF 417
2. Bob Rawle 407
3. Steve McCulloch 389
4. Rich Wild 356
5. SteveF 312
6. Yorkshire Simon 311
7. Alanjack 297
8. StanS 296
9. Dave Wallis 282
10. R.B. 280
11. Peccy 275
12. ToneLoc 271
13. Craft 267
14. Ady555 264
15. Steve Doyle 260
16. Paul Corrigan 256
17. Robbo64 255
18. Tony Lawton 253
19. Graham Wild 246
20. Wes Barrett 230
21. Dave **** 223


TORQUE FIGURES

1. Rich Wild 348
2. Bob Rawle 332
3. Steve McCulloch 320
4. Yorkshire Simon 315
5. AndyF 290
6. SteveF 270
7. Dave Wallis 265
8. ToneLoc 252
9. = Alan Smith 250
= Steve Doyle 250
11. Peccy 244
12. = Craft 240
= Graham Wild 240
= Stan Smith 240
15. Ady555 235
16. Richard B 230
17. Robbo64 220
18. Paul Corrigan 218
19. = Tony Lawton 215
= Wes Barrett 215
21. Dave **** 195

David_Wallis

**** I did well for a fooked car..

Hate to think what I would have got if it was running ok...

David

Bal

Rich,
I sent you an email on Friday afternoon...but it got ping ponged back to me this morning.
Is your email on the blink?

Bal

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

What the hell was up with those rollers???

A lot of torque figures look diproportionate to the BHP figures

Andy.F

Excellent day (well I would say that ) Great to meet all you guys at last. Thanks to Rich for the organising, ran like clockwork Nice torque out that TD05 of yours mate think they may catch on ?
Many thanks to Harvey for putting us up on Sat night and for the tour of some of Doncasters more 'scenic' pubs

Even got safely home without piston failure, bending a rod or blowing a turbo etc etc

Regarding the results, I think it's safe to say that anyone with their torque peak above 5k was probably slipping on the rollers.
On my own car the graph showed 260lb-ft at 4500 rpm and 0.9 bar, then when the boost switched to 1.6 bar at 4600 rpm the graph instantly dropped to 240lb-ft as the rpm needle bounced off 8500 rpm !
Adding two bodys to the back seat netted an additional 67 bhp !!

On the advice of one of the regular WL runners, I had pumped my tyres up to 40 psi to minimise the rolling losses. I think the garage gauge was a bit out as when I went to let them down when I got home they were at 52psi No wonder traction was an issue !!

David, you need to visit Star 800bhp capacity I think, will that be enough ?

Andy

[Edited by Andy.F - 1/27/2003 12:51:02 PM]

Pavlo

Edited because andy replied at the same time...

No grip stuff on the rollers at Well Lane, which it could do with really.

Nice day was had by all I think, except perhaps Stan, who was gutted (and rightly so).

Andy, you should have added another person, and got another 33.5hp!

paul

[Edited by Pavlo - 1/27/2003 1:01:57 PM]

RICH WILD

Hi,

LOL @ Andy, Those TD05s certainly seem to do the business!

Sympathy for Stan who came all that way for disappointing results.

Think the rollers were a little shiny at the end of the day, but with Andy running 52 psi on them, I'm not surprised!

Cheers

Rich

StanS

iTrader: (3)

Cheers Rich,
Reckon TMIC do not work well on RR with my set-up, judging by how rough mine was running! Must get FMIC.
At least engine was OK and ran very well on way home.
Stan

David_Wallis

Andy, may just do that

Or buy an ap22

David

Tone Loc

iTrader: (1)

I'd agree with the Top mount's performing poorly on the RR. Firstly the fan wasn't directed anywhere near the scoop and the heat soak would not be nice. My average power figure for the 3 (or was it 4) runs was 271bhp but the first run saw it at just over 280bhp . Should have told him to leave it there .

In other words i want/need a FMIC .

Tony.

Steve_F

Hi all.

Must say I'm confused about RR's as well.

Last time a WL my P1 did 297bhp.

The runs on Sunday were 278, 280, 308, 326 & 326 bhp.

Final figure... 312bhp.

Can anyone tell me how this works please??

Steve.

MorayMackenzie

Assuming all those runs were on your car...

Easy... the more upset or downhearted you look at the figures, the more you will get given on the next run... until you smile or grin... then power figures wil stabilise. Suspect you grinned when you got the first 320+ figure... hence stabilisation.

Better say that was a joke before I am lynched. That was a joke.

ImprezaWRX

Hi all

Once again excellant event Big thanks to Rich..
OMG 417 scary...

Finally got some pics uploaded in the members gallery.

Cheers Mick

Steve_F

lol @ Moray.

nice one!

Steve.

Trout...

Stan,

I am sure you saw the other post - but the WL fan is absolutely crap - and for TMIC it is even worse. The GEMS will have been pulling timing and ironically that would have made the heat soak worse as the EGTs will have risen, more retardation, more heat, more retardation....

If you want - email me at rannoch1@hotmail.com - I still have an STi V intercooler that would really improve your inlet temps at the boost you are running. Or if you want to impress on the rollers and get that final edge then go FMIC

Trout

Scott J Davies

Excellent figures for Scoobs!
SJD

YorkshireSimon

Bl00dy hell

Came away on Saturday feeling very pleased with my cars performance. Read the final results here and my torque has gone up from 310 to 315lbs/ft.

I must say, after the PPP was fitted, the car has been totally transformed. It actually feels like a performance car now, just like my old scoob did, whereas before it was a bit of a dead stick...

TMIC certainly no problem on the STI Type UK. My car followed the Audi TT and was sitting parked up with engine running for the best part 20 minutes. I was expecting this to hurt my runs, but didn't seem to Gave the IC water spray 3-4 blasts before driving on to the rollers though, maybe that helped....

Anyway, I have two graphs now, before PPP and after. The lines speak for themselves and I am well pleased.

Question for Bob Rawle, I didn't get chance to speak to you on the day, but I clocked you looking at the boost figures for the STI7 and you said "confirmed my suspicions on that!!". I am curious as to what you meant by this. I checked the Defi's afterwards and the car peaked at around 1.45 bar, not 1.5, and this is not really any different to what is was before the PPP was fitted, it just holds it longer there

Thanks again Rich for another cracking day. Are we gonna see the graphs go up on Scoobynet Dyno pages this time round Go on, you know you want to....

Cheers

See you all again next time..

Simon

RICH WILD

Hi Simon,

Glad you were pleased.

I'd love to get the figures up on the dyno site but everytime I mail results to them - nothing happens

I've got all the graphs this time - just need someone with a scanner.

Cheers

Rich

David_Wallis

Ive got a scanner..

How about our own dyno site.. I have space on www.scoobyecu.co.uk or www.wallis2000.co.uk

David

RICH WILD

Top idea David!

I'll give you all the 2nd copies of the graphs on Sunday (and ones from the week before). Unforunately I didn't get 2nd copies from Well Lane 3.

Nice one.

Rich

David_Wallis

i've also asked steven (p20spd) to address it with the moderators..

David

RICH WILD

Cool

Cheers Dave

Rich

Bob Rawle

Just to add my thanks to Rich, well worth the trip up even though I actually had little chance to do what I like to do on these occasions and talk about Scoobs.

I actually did datalog my runs and can absolutely confirm that the rollers were "a bit slippy", I hit the boost cut on every run at 6100-6500 rpm, my knackered SO3's didn't help. Next time I will come with slicks in the back !!

Andy you bandit well done, can I borrow your tyres for the next one, now I know why only two were allowed in the back !!

Stan, your car suffered from heatsoak as you kept it running for quite some time prior to the run, Gems temp compensation is fully adjustable so that could be sorted but get that FMIC on.

Harvey thanks for the help with Rich's car (and mine), was good to have someone driving who knew the routine.

Comments about accuracy, its all relative and rollers are comparative, same for all although the amount of "slip" is clearly exponential !! The rolling road at Well Lane is actually the same setup as at PE just as a thought although they do run it differently, Rich I didn't remember to get paw, suppose its too late now ?

Alan G, good meeting up again. John, seem to have missed each other but maybe next time.

Steve Mc ... you needed slicks as well ...

Jonny G, great to see you up and about.

thanks to all

colin c

Bob you can come along to our rolling road day at Power Engineering on the 8th of Feb ( see Southern section ) if you need a comparision between the rollers results, Steve is coming and he needs some competition.

Andy well done, not bad for a first run, how did you run the engine in so quick.

Colin.

Bob Rawle

Colin, sorry but busy on the day I'm afraid, a mappers work is never done, Steve need competition ??? Now that's a novel thought !! Have to say his car is mental on the road but suffered like several others at Well Lane.

steve McCulloch

Colin

Will be very interesting to get the PE comparison. Will see it gets the boosts its supposed to at PE, that said I noted quite a lot of peoples boost was down on the day, especially Rich W.. although that Torque figure is strange

I'm hoping the clutch holds so am not going to abuse it before the day!!

Well Lane must have done something with the rollers. I've had 346lbs before there.. but each time it seems to be all over the place.. and theres me thinking that power was a function of the torque, or is a function of the area under the torque curve??

colin c

No problem Bob perhaps another time.

Colin.

Andy.F

Colin, the run to Batley was running in !! It's going much better now I'm home again

Bob, I dropped some oil on them for good measure as I rolled off

Bob Rawle

LOL at Andy ... nice one.