Australia -taking a tougher stance on asylum seekers, good or bad?
18 February 2014, 07:41 AM
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Australia -taking a tougher stance on asylum seekers, good or bad?
Australia asylum: One killed in violence at PNG camp
OK so we often read in NSR about how the UK should get tough with asylum seekers and other illegal imigrants!
Australia have done so, but have they gone too far?
OK so we often read in NSR about how the UK should get tough with asylum seekers and other illegal imigrants!
Australia have done so, but have they gone too far?
18 February 2014, 08:13 AM
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You need to filter out the media BS. When ABC broke the story about abuse of refugees by the Australian Navy there was an outcry, then there were questions as to the authenticity and accuracy of the story and finally it turned into a witch hunt at ABC.
Let's get a fact right though:
Asylum seekers - those seeking asylum, protection and a life in a country other than their own.
Illegal immigrants - those that are already in a country illegally, having outstayed their visa or entered illegally.
Two very different groups with one taking a route that is viewed as legal by the state although that's not to say that an asylum seeker may also be an illegal immigrant.
Let's get a fact right though:
Asylum seekers - those seeking asylum, protection and a life in a country other than their own.
Illegal immigrants - those that are already in a country illegally, having outstayed their visa or entered illegally.
Two very different groups with one taking a route that is viewed as legal by the state although that's not to say that an asylum seeker may also be an illegal immigrant.
18 February 2014, 12:35 PM
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I believe the Australian government are offering to sponsor safe haven for these poor people in PNG.
If you were fleeing danger in your own country, you would be grateful for this Godsend.
On the other hand - if you handed over 10K of your hard earned to a "people smuggler", you might not be so happy with the deal.
I guess as with many things in life, it is just a matter of perspective.
If you were fleeing danger in your own country, you would be grateful for this Godsend.
On the other hand - if you handed over 10K of your hard earned to a "people smuggler", you might not be so happy with the deal.
I guess as with many things in life, it is just a matter of perspective.
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If this had happened in the U.K. the scourge of politicians,the media,etc would have been all over this like a rash.
19 February 2014, 11:13 PM
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19 February 2014, 11:21 PM
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Paying a scammer thousands, hiding in another country and being found is tough sh*t. Fleeing oppression is different story.
19 February 2014, 11:31 PM
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I believe the Australian government are offering to sponsor safe haven for these poor people in PNG.
If you were fleeing danger in your own country, you would be grateful for this Godsend.
On the other hand - if you handed over 10K of your hard earned to a "people smuggler", you might not be so happy with the deal.
I guess as with many things in life, it is just a matter of perspective.
If you were fleeing danger in your own country, you would be grateful for this Godsend.
On the other hand - if you handed over 10K of your hard earned to a "people smuggler", you might not be so happy with the deal.
I guess as with many things in life, it is just a matter of perspective.
19 February 2014, 11:55 PM
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I'll let you know how it pans out on the ground as I'm back out there in a few weeks and sadly that's my last trip there as far as I can see.
FWIW, if I were to emigrate then I would be looking to the US. AU is all fine and dandy but it's all too Martin 2005 for me
FWIW, if I were to emigrate then I would be looking to the US. AU is all fine and dandy but it's all too Martin 2005 for me
20 February 2014, 06:48 AM
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It makes perfect sense or obviously they woulden't be agreeing with it you ******* buffoon, but yet again I say white you say black.
Do I understand the UK's policy on Asylum Seekers?
Do we even have one?
And if we do have one it obviously dosen't bloody work very well does it.
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20 February 2014, 11:45 AM
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20 February 2014, 12:31 PM
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IMHO the UK's policy on asylum seekers should be........... No, you're not coming in.
People who fear for their life in their own country have the right to seek asylum in somebody else's.......................Why? Your country, your problem, go fight your own battles rather than running away. The UK (as with most civilised countries) has enough of it's own problems - Australia has always had a much better way of dealing with immigrants etc. and for those that think this is all "jolly unfair" go live in the KSA (I did for many years) and you'll see what unfair is really about.
The world is way too soft - grow some ***** and stop hugging trees.
People who fear for their life in their own country have the right to seek asylum in somebody else's.......................Why? Your country, your problem, go fight your own battles rather than running away. The UK (as with most civilised countries) has enough of it's own problems - Australia has always had a much better way of dealing with immigrants etc. and for those that think this is all "jolly unfair" go live in the KSA (I did for many years) and you'll see what unfair is really about.
The world is way too soft - grow some ***** and stop hugging trees.
20 February 2014, 12:52 PM
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lol
I've never really understood politics and matters of government, for me it's quite simple:
To play for a top football team you need skill and experience.
To work in a good honest job you need qualifications and/or experience.
To own a portable phone you need to prove where you live and that you have a bank account.
But to have kids or enter into the UK with nothing more than a bin bag of clothes and be able to claim benefits you need no qualifications nor experience.
I know in reality there are certain criteria needed and it's never that simple but maybe (just maybe) if it was a LOT harder then perhaps the UK (and other predominantly European countries) would be less full of useless lazy over-breading good for nothings who's only lifelong goal appears to be breading more of the same and claiming benefits
Something very wrong there me thinks
I've never really understood politics and matters of government, for me it's quite simple:
To play for a top football team you need skill and experience.
To work in a good honest job you need qualifications and/or experience.
To own a portable phone you need to prove where you live and that you have a bank account.
But to have kids or enter into the UK with nothing more than a bin bag of clothes and be able to claim benefits you need no qualifications nor experience.
I know in reality there are certain criteria needed and it's never that simple but maybe (just maybe) if it was a LOT harder then perhaps the UK (and other predominantly European countries) would be less full of useless lazy over-breading good for nothings who's only lifelong goal appears to be breading more of the same and claiming benefits
Something very wrong there me thinks
20 February 2014, 01:29 PM
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What has this to do with my post?
21 February 2014, 06:17 PM
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IMHO the UK's policy on asylum seekers should be........... No, you're not coming in.
People who fear for their life in their own country have the right to seek asylum in somebody else's.......................Why? Your country, your problem, go fight your own battles rather than running away. The UK (as with most civilised countries) has enough of it's own problems - Australia has always had a much better way of dealing with immigrants etc. and for those that think this is all "jolly unfair" go live in the KSA (I did for many years) and you'll see what unfair is really about.
The world is way too soft - grow some ***** and stop hugging trees.
People who fear for their life in their own country have the right to seek asylum in somebody else's.......................Why? Your country, your problem, go fight your own battles rather than running away. The UK (as with most civilised countries) has enough of it's own problems - Australia has always had a much better way of dealing with immigrants etc. and for those that think this is all "jolly unfair" go live in the KSA (I did for many years) and you'll see what unfair is really about.
The world is way too soft - grow some ***** and stop hugging trees.
21 February 2014, 06:55 PM
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IMHO the UK's policy on asylum seekers should be........... No, you're not coming in.
People who fear for their life in their own country have the right to seek asylum in somebody else's.......................Why? Your country, your problem, go fight your own battles rather than running away. The UK (as with most civilised countries) has enough of it's own problems - Australia has always had a much better way of dealing with immigrants etc. and for those that think this is all "jolly unfair" go live in the KSA (I did for many years) and you'll see what unfair is really about.
The world is way too soft - grow some ***** and stop hugging trees.
People who fear for their life in their own country have the right to seek asylum in somebody else's.......................Why? Your country, your problem, go fight your own battles rather than running away. The UK (as with most civilised countries) has enough of it's own problems - Australia has always had a much better way of dealing with immigrants etc. and for those that think this is all "jolly unfair" go live in the KSA (I did for many years) and you'll see what unfair is really about.
The world is way too soft - grow some ***** and stop hugging trees.
It all too easy isn't it...spouting with this kind of worthless tripe from the safety comfort of living here with your massive safety net and freedom to do and say pretty much what you like
Yeah let them fight or die, not our problem.... don't you ever come on here moaning about anything
PS Australian's have a particualr expertise with decimating indigenous populations, I hardly think we have much to learn from those hypocrits
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So we should compound this injustice with others?
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21 February 2014, 07:25 PM
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Australia is a fantastic place, sadly it's starting to get wrecked by the same type of cretins in the media and politics as we have here, but it has a long way to go before it's as bad as this sh1thole!