Gay couples to get IVF on NHS
16 February 2013, 12:22 PM
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Spot on in my opinion. Or adopt. There are thousands of kids out there that need a home. This world is well and truely screwed up.
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16 February 2013, 10:07 PM
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I actually agree that IVF of any form shouldn't be offered for free on the NHS...
...At least not whilst we still have kids being brought up in care/temporary foster homes.
Harsh, I know, but thats how I feel about it. Having kids should be a privilege, not a right IMO....the cost of a few private IVF treatments is less than the average second hand car. And I'd much prefer NHS resources go towards treating life threatening illnesses.
...At least not whilst we still have kids being brought up in care/temporary foster homes.
Harsh, I know, but thats how I feel about it. Having kids should be a privilege, not a right IMO....the cost of a few private IVF treatments is less than the average second hand car. And I'd much prefer NHS resources go towards treating life threatening illnesses.
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16 February 2013, 10:53 PM
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I actually agree that IVF of any form shouldn't be offered for free on the NHS...
...At least not whilst we still have kids being brought up in care/temporary foster homes.
Harsh, I know, but thats how I feel about it. Having kids should be a privilege, not a right IMO....the cost of a few private IVF treatments is less than the average second hand car. And I'd much prefer NHS resources go towards treating life threatening illnesses.
...At least not whilst we still have kids being brought up in care/temporary foster homes.
Harsh, I know, but thats how I feel about it. Having kids should be a privilege, not a right IMO....the cost of a few private IVF treatments is less than the average second hand car. And I'd much prefer NHS resources go towards treating life threatening illnesses.
Thats only one example there are loads more instances of people taking the pi$$ TBH.
16 February 2013, 11:50 PM
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Not sure what RA Dunk is on about re breast augmentaion on the NHS.......
where appropriate I feel that infertile couples should have help from the NHS to have children as for the most part it's a disease that's causing the problem..
Shaun
where appropriate I feel that infertile couples should have help from the NHS to have children as for the most part it's a disease that's causing the problem..
Shaun
18 February 2013, 12:52 PM
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For the vast majority of people in this country, the NHS has a monopoly on the provision of health care. They have no (realistic) other choice.
The NHS seems quite happy with this and let's face it - who actually welcomes competition in the work place?
As such, the NHS has an obligation to provide elective medical care to these people (IMO).
I am not saying this necessarily is a good thing, just that this is a natural consequence/reality of our model of health service provision.
The NHS seems quite happy with this and let's face it - who actually welcomes competition in the work place?
As such, the NHS has an obligation to provide elective medical care to these people (IMO).
I am not saying this necessarily is a good thing, just that this is a natural consequence/reality of our model of health service provision.
18 February 2013, 01:15 PM
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I'm a short ****, is it my right to get an operation to make me taller if such a procedure existed?
IVF is an extremely costly exercise and shouldn't be dished out free of charge. It is a service that is available, but that doesn't mean it should be free for the masses.
There is a couple that we have been friends with for over 12 years now. Around 5 years ago, 'baby-talk' started. After no luck after 18 month, both were tested. Turns out his sperm count was seriously low, to be point where the doctors said don't even bother trying, it isn't going to happen. She was put on some sort of drug that makes her more likely to conceive but again, after another 6 months of no luck, they were put on an IVF program. Before they actually started, they fell pregnant. They were obviously over-joyed and counted her as a blessing.
Now they want a 2nd child and there is already talk of IVF.
Yes, I know they will have to pay for it but it just seems like whatever one wants these days, they get. There is no sense of counting your blessings and being happy with what you have got.
18 February 2013, 01:36 PM
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18 February 2013, 02:13 PM
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That seems to be most detractor's logic against gay couples adopting anyway
18 February 2013, 02:28 PM
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But I just can't see how two people of any gender officially declaring and legally formalising their love for each other can be abominable.
But then I'm not a racist homophobe either!
18 February 2013, 02:44 PM
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My feelings are that a marriage is not right between homosexuals because of the real meaning of the term, as I said in an earlier post. It is a vitally important arrangement between heterosexual couples to help to maintain the marriage for the protection of any children.
I also believe that children should be brought up as far as possible with the balanced influence of a mother and father.
I have made it clear enough in earlier posts that if a pair of homosexuals want to pair off then they are best served by going off and living together without making a big fuss about it but by keeping it to themselves on the face of it.
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