Ste RB5138

I noticed this sad story on the BBC just, I was 14 when it happened still remember how shocked I was. Those two evil f**kers should never have been released in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21425875

Tidgy

ones been released and done for kiddy **** yet hes due for parol hearing, wtf is that all about, hes had 15 years inside and still a pedo? take him out the back fo the prison and put a bullet in his head, save the tax payers millions.

davyboy

This could be the new 10 pager.

Of course, kill the kids. Don't try and fix the problem. These kids didn't get born evil.

Tidgy

Not saying its not down to history, but there still damaged goods now.

Fantom

Considering what those kids did, I cannot believe they were ever released. Such a shame that justice was not served.
I cannot imagine how James' family have manged to continue life. I don't think you could ever get over the fact that it happened

r32

Are you sure? There are plenty of cases where one or more children of the same family turn out well but another ends up like these two.

I read the excerpt from Jamie's fathers book. What these two did to that poor child is horrific, it wasnt just a case of 'killing' a child.

RA Dunk

This will be one of those crimes that never goes away, never gets forgotten about. Even in fifty years time this will still be deemed as a crime driven purely by evil.

Martin2005

They had an interview this morning on Radio 4 with James father, it was clear that even 20 years on his pain has not eased at all.

Osimabu

iTrader: (2)

I heard that interview too. If ever there was a cast iron case for capital punishment, this is it.

I don't care how old the killers were when they did it, or anything about the 'reasons' for it. I seem to have managed to go through life without torturing and murdering toddlers, or anyone for that matter, and I don't see why anyone who does, regardless of their age at the time, should expect to remain alive.

davyboy

I guess you didn't suffer abuse and neglect as a child then.

davyboy

I'm not trying to say they weren't guilty, I just fail to believe a child from a loving home would have carried out such horrors.

Martin2005

I'm certainly not going to agree with you here, but there you go

Osimabu

iTrader: (2)

What my young home life was like is irrelevant. I stand by my statement.

davyboy

Of course it's relevant, it has everything to do with it and how you act, think and behave today.

grovesy

I was 13 at the time, did they not try and Blame childsplay 3 and violent video games.

Martin2005

Davyboy

Just leave it mate, you're on a hiding to nothing on here.

davyboy

You're right.

Throw away the key!

Osimabu

iTrader: (2)

From reading Ian Kershaw's Hitler biography, he had a reasonably ordinary childhood with a loving mother and a father who was not brilliant but normal. So he must have been okay as well then?

Why on earth do people have to find some 'reason' for the actions of the likes of these child killers? It doesn't matter why they did it, they did it, and in this case the punishment was pathetic.

Martin2005

It's important to understand the reasons things happen, that way maybe you can prevent it happening again. It could save lives, now surely that's 'reason' enough

Osimabu

iTrader: (2)

Okay, I've no problem with that. But what about properly punishing those who commit the crime in the first place? You can't alter the reasons they did it, but to give them just eight years for what they did was unjust.

And quite frankly, investigating the reasons won't stop the next atrocity because there will always be some unknown nut case out there ready to act. It might help, but it can never eliminate the possibility.

davyboy

How do you properly punish a child? Like you would an adult?

Reduction is all we can hope for.

cster

Why does there have to be a "reason"?
Maybe some people are just f**kups?

Martin2005

There doesn't HAVE to be a reason, sometimes there might be though surely?

cster

You are quick - I was going to edit that.
The point I was going to make was that when you look at the complexity of what we are and the fact that the complexity of what we are is codified by DNA from two cells that are too small to see - well it is perhaps naive to think that we will all have the same capacity to be ideal reasonable types.
These two were clearly old enough to know what they were doing was wrong yet chose to proceed together in an extremely barbaric enterprise.
I just don't see anything "reasonable" about this, nor do I hold any ideology that makes me feel that I should do so.
Maybe I should have taken a sociology course at uni.

Martin2005

I think you'll do well to find anyone who'd describe the 2 boys actions as 'reasonable'. Actually I'm confused as to why you'd write that?

cster

I use the word "reasonable" to emphasise/define the need for some to find a "reason" for their actions.
Be it by "reason" of their upbringing or whatever.
Perhaps that thought should have been more expanded upon in the post.
As an aside, I'm not too sure about those who think capital punishment for 10 year olds is reasonable though.
TBF, I suppose that thought is of more visceral origin.

hodgy0_2

maybe little Jamie Bulger would have grown up and been a "scally" too

Joyriding cars etc

we would have the usual suspects calling for his fiery death in a smahed up Audi

AndyBaker

I bet he would give anything to go joyriding

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

In my opinion if there was ever a strong argument for re-introduction of the death penalty, this is it.

My son is nearly two and if someone tried this or something like this, I'd rather see him from prison than visit his grave like Jamie's parents have too, if you follow my drift.

Rest In Peace Jamie.

the shreksta

iTrader: (20)

still cant get over the fact it was 20 years ago,i remember it well-i was 13,seems like a lifetime ago as i have done so much in that 20 years and little james bulger wasnt given the same chances as all of us.such a sad shame.didnt his parents split up after his death? that too is a shame.

R.I.P james bulger