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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 09:26 PM
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Just watching the programme with Trevor Macdonald - it just seems a little odd to me that someone can be put on death row and remain there for years and years!
At the prison that Trev is in the last person to be put to death was in 2009! Surely if you are put on death row then that's if for you! Give em a set amount of time and then execute - what am I missing?
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 09:31 PM
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what am I missing?
Politics...........
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 09:50 PM
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Yep, the maths of the Death Penalty in the US are pretty astonishing, if you take the trouble to look at them in detail. In a country with a consistent average of over 15,000 murders per year for the past few decades, there have been on average less than 90 executions actually carried out per year, since capital punishment was brought back in 1976. You're in fact 25 times more likely to be shot on the street by a cop in the US than to get it from a lethal injection or the electric chair, statistically
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 09:50 PM
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A brain?

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I guess in the perfect world, the decision to put someone to death should be a safe verdict and be absolute!
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 10:06 PM
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 10:06 PM
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Seen a bit lastnight. The guy who had been in since he was 15 from a crime he commited at 13. Listed all the things he never had a chance to do and its stuff u just never even realise. Now i know he killed someone that cant experience some things , but take that out of the equasion and it quite sad what he missed out on , no prom , never drove a car , or been on a plane , got drunk , had sex etc etc .
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Originally Posted by CharlySkunkWeed
, never , had sex etc etc .
mmmmm, not so sure about that "bubba"
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
Yep, the maths of the Death Penalty in the US are pretty astonishing, if you take the trouble to look at them in detail. In a country with a consistent average of over 15,000 murders per year for the past few decades, there have been on average less than 90 executions actually carried out per year, since capital punishment was brought back in 1976. You're in fact 25 times more likely to be shot on the street by a cop in the US than to get it from a lethal injection or the electric chair, statistically
Is this because it is becoming clear (even to the red-necks) how morally indefensible the DP is?
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 11:31 PM
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Yeah, not many people actually get the lethal injection but they'll never get out.
When they're sentenced to life, theyre in for life not bloody 12 years. This country is a joke.

Last weeks episode was better. There was a guy sentenced to 176years with parole at age 100.
They don't fanny about like they do over here.
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Old Jan 24, 2013 | 11:34 PM
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The more you look at the US the more you find that they are not all they seem.

They have more children in prison with life sentences without parole than any other country.

In the United States each year, children as young as 13 are sentenced to spend the rest of their lives in prison without any opportunity for release. Approximately 2,570 children are sentenced to juvenile life without parole or "JLWOP" in the United States. Despite a global consensus that children cannot be held to the same standards of responsibility as adults and recognition that children are entitled to special protection and treatment, the United States allows children to be treated and punished as adults.

and this:

UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

the United States is one of only two U.N. member countries not to have ratified the original Convention (the other country is Somalia — which doesn’t have a functioning government.)

Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/01/24/why...#ixzz2IwFsepCl
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
The more you look at the US the more you find that they are not all they seem.

They have more children in prison with life sentences without parole than any other country.

In the United States each year, children as young as 13 are sentenced to spend the rest of their lives in prison without any opportunity for release. Approximately 2,570 children are sentenced to juvenile life without parole or "JLWOP" in the United States. Despite a global consensus that children cannot be held to the same standards of responsibility as adults and recognition that children are entitled to special protection and treatment, the United States allows children to be treated and punished as adults.

and this:

UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

the United States is one of only two U.N. member countries not to have ratified the original Convention (the other country is Somalia — which doesn’t have a functioning government.)

Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/01/24/why...#ixzz2IwFsepCl
And more black people in jail than in college
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Is this because it is becoming clear (even to the red-necks) how morally indefensible the DP is?
No, on balance I'd have to say it probably has far more to do with the fact that two thirds of all the world's lawyers are based in the US
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Old Jan 25, 2013 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie*
Yeah, not many people actually get the lethal injection but they'll never get out.
When they're sentenced to life, theyre in for life not bloody 12 years. This country is a joke.

Last weeks episode was better. There was a guy sentenced to 176years with parole at age 100.
They don't fanny about like they do over here.
Indeed, if life really meant life in this country, the whole bring-back-hanging debate would probably be dead and buried a long time ago (excuse the pun).
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Old Jan 25, 2013 | 07:35 AM
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I watched last nights show and in my eyes someone who slits the throats of a mother and a four year old girl deserves a leathal injection to which even the convict agreed.

Our prisons appear to be more of a retreat for some, a chance to catch up with old friends with free bed and breakfast, lunch and an evening meal thrown in.

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Old Jan 25, 2013 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
The more you look at the US the more you find that they are not all they seem.

They have more children in prison with life sentences without parole than any other country.

In the United States each year, children as young as 13 are sentenced to spend the rest of their lives in prison without any opportunity for release. Approximately 2,570 children are sentenced to juvenile life without parole or "JLWOP" in the United States. Despite a global consensus that children cannot be held to the same standards of responsibility as adults and recognition that children are entitled to special protection and treatment, the United States allows children to be treated and punished as adults.

and this:

UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

the United States is one of only two U.N. member countries not to have ratified the original Convention (the other country is Somalia — which doesn’t have a functioning government.)

Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/01/24/why...#ixzz2IwFsepCl
Should Jamie Bulgers killers have ever been let out? They were kids, these kids in America will have killed people hence why they are there, kids killing here in the uk is rare fortunately.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Is this because it is becoming clear (even to the red-necks) how morally indefensible the DP is?
Nothing to do with the indefensibility of the death penalty. You are using the thread as an excuse to air your personal feelings.

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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 03:57 PM
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the strangest thing was they had a cat.........
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlySkunkWeed
Seen a bit lastnight. The guy who had been in since he was 15 from a crime he commited at 13. Listed all the things he never had a chance to do and its stuff u just never even realise. Now i know he killed someone that cant experience some things , but take that out of the equasion and it quite sad what he missed out on , no prom , never drove a car , or been on a plane , got drunk , had sex etc etc .
Actually, think of the money hes not wasted on cars and women and his liver will be like new as well ,as hes never touched alcohol- this guys got it better than us! ( and he probably wont get executed after all!)
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 04:46 PM
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You are using the thread as an excuse to air your personal feelings.
And??
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
the strangest thing was they had a cat.........
Which will be the only ***** they will touch for the rest of their lives
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mattvortex
Actually, think of the money hes not wasted on cars and women and his liver will be like new as well ,as hes never touched alcohol- this guys got it better than us! ( and he probably wont get executed after all!)

I may be confused but I think this was the guy with a 150 year sentence.

So I think to say that he has it better than us is a tad doubtful

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Yeah thats him , killed someone when he was 13 , jailed by 15. Potentially 90 years of 23hrs in the same room isnt my idea of fun , even with a cat
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Is this because it is becoming clear (even to the red-necks) how morally indefensible the DP is?


Originally Posted by Ellie*

Last weeks episode was better. There was a guy sentenced to 176years with parole at age 100.
They don't fanny about like they do over here.
Yeah but I bet he`ll only serve half that
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie*
Yeah, not many people actually get the lethal injection but they'll never get out.
When they're sentenced to life, theyre in for life not bloody 12 years. This country is a joke.

Last weeks episode was better. There was a guy sentenced to 176years with parole at age 100.
They don't fanny about like they do over here.

Forget having a cat,if you sentenced for that many years,better off having a Turtle..
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An eye for an eye might leave everyone blind but I think the death penatly should be here... some of the things some people do - they don't deserv to live...
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