ReallyReallyGoodMeat

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-20436188

Eight people refusing to give their seat on a tram to a heavily pregnant lady with cruches. WTF?!

Trambolic.

I don't see how the tram operator is to blame. Responsibility surely lies with the tram users 100%.

TelBoy

I'd also question why she used a mode of transport where the chance of having to stand is high, if she has a condition that prevents her standing for any length of time. Sometimes i just wonder if people are looking for a reason to have a whinge.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

What other choice is there? Taxi? Bit expensive to make a habit of.

TelBoy

Friend with a car. Making the journey off-peak. Taxi. Bus. Anything with a bit of common sense involved.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

You think it is more reasonable for her to make lots of concessions as to how and when she travels, over expecting the kindness of the general public to offer her a seat?

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

More importantly, what was she doing going using public transport in her condition? Especially when she says that standing for long periods can harm her and the baby.

I agree that people should have let her sit down but I wouldn't want my wife to put herself in that position.

David Lock

I don't believe that story. I have never seen anyone refuse to give their seat up to someone like that, let alone 8 people in a row. dl

Mouser

Sad state of affairs if true.

PeteBrant

You want to try using some of that. Jesus. As if she stood on a Tram in discomfort for an hour when she had a viable alternative that meant she didn't have to.

Who says she had an option?

I've never witnessed a chav scum druggie shouting racist abuse on a bus. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen does it.

TelBoy

If she has a condition which specifically limits her ability to stand for the length of the journey, yes. Of course i understand the insensitivity of the other passengers, but it's this lack of common sense which fuels the compensation culture, in my opinion.

David Lock

8 times in a row (unless they were all in a gang)? No.

But it was Manchester of course......

I have more faith in human nature. Still

dl

TelBoy

And how do you know she DIDN'T have a viable alternative you sanctimonious tw@t???

Christ you should listen to yourself sometimes. Most of the time in fact.

Tony Harrington

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I saw the woman being interviewed on TV it's true & happened for sure.

I still cannot believe that no-one had the decency to help. Another mark in the black book named 'Great Britain'

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Can see them all now pretending not to notice whilst they fanny with their phone, headphones in or sat behind a paper. If someone did get up it would have been the 85 year old bloke these days.

PeteBrant

Yeah you're right. Rather than get a lift somewhere, she purposely got on the tram, and stood, with a condition that meant she was inconstant pain. And she did this so she could have a moan.

We shouldn't be having any sympathy with her, we should be sympathetic to those poor souls that got asked to give up their seats.

Thank goodness you have the common sense to point these glaringly obvious motives and facts to us.

TelBoy

All i'm saying is that she probably made this journey on the assumption she'd get a seat. That's probably an assumption i'd have made too. But if i had a condition that meant i couldn't stand for very long, and i might be relying on the good nature of faceless commuters, then i'd have made alternative arrangements. The crutches and the pregnancy don't sway it for me i'm afraid.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

And what if you were unable to make alternative arrangements?

TelBoy

Well we could hypothesise all day. But you know as well as i do that that tram wasn't her one and only option in the whole wide world. Forethought is all it required. I'm not excusing the actions of the other passengers one bit, but people like her do themselves no favours if they have special requirements that cannot be guaranteed to be met, and don't then plan accordingly.

PeteBrant

Seriously, what the ****?

Sorry disabled people, don't be travelling on public transport. It's only for people that can stand up if they need to.

Outdoing yourself in this thread Tel

You have no idea what her options were. And even if she had a million other options (which she almost certainly didn't because let's face it, if a lift was on offer, she would have taken it given her condition - that's common sense, Tel), there is nothing wrong at all in choosing public transport and hoping, no, expecting to be able to get a seat in that condition.


"Do themselves no favours" hahahahahaha that's quality.

PeteBrant

Yeah. We got that.

TelBoy

No Pete, you're outdoing yourself again with assumption after assuption after assumption. And thowing in yet another ****** sanctimonious comment about a turn of phrase. God it's so boring. Look, you obviously know more than i do about this, so you're correct, nobody else's opinion counts. I know that's the outcome we have to get to when you get involved so let's just get there early shall we? Good.

PeteBrant

That's very magmanimous of you. Thanks

Leslie

I find it hard to believe that anyone can be so selfishly minded as to say that she should not be using that mode of transport. She doubtless had no other chance of getting to her destination and had to take her chances of getting a seat. It is also pretty distressing that those passengers were also unwilling to give her their seat in her condition.

I wonder what is happening to our society that people should have such an attitude to helping others these days. In earlier times you would have found more than one person volunteering to give up their seat without needing to be asked. Has society degenerated so much?

I think it was shameful behaviour by those who were not prepared to let her have their seat.

Of course the bus company cannot force people to give up their seat, but they should never have such a situation on their hands anyway.

Les

magepaster

iTrader: (2)

Let's suppose that this woman had the good sense to use a mode of public transport that was convenient because she didn't have to walk far in order to board it and that it stopped conveniently close to her destination. Lets suppose that being disabled she knew what she was doing as she had made this journey on a number of occasions and had no problem getting a seat. Lets suppose she didn't use a taxi because it was no more convenient but cost a fair bit more. Those, I think, might be reasonable assumptions.

What we are left with is the good British public that should hang their heads in shame.

22BUK

Do you think the BBC would have published this if it had happened to a white woman?

PeteBrant

What the **** has her colour got to do with anything. Where is it mentioned in the story?

Maz

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It hasn't. It's the resident fascist **** stirring again.

Mouser

Maybe she had a City top on and all the passengers were United supporters or vice versa.

22BUK

There's a picture of her at the beginning of the article!

I think the BBC tends to have a pro-immigrant bias and would not have reported it if she was white.

greenonedave

Simples really, our culture has changed in this country, when I was younger it was the norm to stand in a queue for a bus,or in a shop and when sometimes when it was required I would hold open doors to allow other people to pass in front or by me, and if there was a pregnant/older person standing on a train or bus it was normall to let this other person sit down, now this has changed to nobody seeming to have any manners or being totally self centered or plain just ignorant ! I preferd it the old way.