SAS man jailed.
20 November 2012, 04:14 PM
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SAS man jailed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-8335517.html
I know by the letter of the law this is correct but how did it even get to court?
Should have been dealt with by the Military.It should not have even been out in the public domain.
He obviously is not a terrorist or a gangster so a slapped wrist should have & would have done the trick.
It's an absolute disgrace to treat a soldier this way especially a member of special forces who has probably put his life on the line many times in the service of his country.
I know by the letter of the law this is correct but how did it even get to court?
Should have been dealt with by the Military.It should not have even been out in the public domain.
He obviously is not a terrorist or a gangster so a slapped wrist should have & would have done the trick.
It's an absolute disgrace to treat a soldier this way especially a member of special forces who has probably put his life on the line many times in the service of his country.
20 November 2012, 04:30 PM
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His brief is logdging an appeal and will ask for bail.
I think the fact he sustained an injury that affected his memory, admitted the crime but it was his mates who sent it back definetly skiw the decision.
The Courts Martial System is biased against the accused and will sit with only 3, and a Civilian Judge Advocate to advise, hardly balanced.
I think the fact he sustained an injury that affected his memory, admitted the crime but it was his mates who sent it back definetly skiw the decision.
The Courts Martial System is biased against the accused and will sit with only 3, and a Civilian Judge Advocate to advise, hardly balanced.
20 November 2012, 05:06 PM
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They actually pay the man to carry a gun, and use it.
How the hell can they jail him just for accidentally having one?
Who do we want fighting out there, candy floss salesmen?
How the hell can they jail him just for accidentally having one?
Who do we want fighting out there, candy floss salesmen?
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20 November 2012, 05:10 PM
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Its a tricky one, Sergeant is the "given" rank to any SAS man even though they may just be a trooper, so is he actually a Sergeant or a trooper?? (hence no demotion or demoted?)
You also have the fact that the weapon was a gift, if he would have had that pistol sent to the barracks and kept in the armoury then there may not have been an issue.
Your down side is that military law sucks quite a bit, especially for Court Martials, you are already guilty before you walk through the door, you have to prove you're innocent and really they just have to decide on your sentence.
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You also have the fact that the weapon was a gift, if he would have had that pistol sent to the barracks and kept in the armoury then there may not have been an issue.
Your down side is that military law sucks quite a bit, especially for Court Martials, you are already guilty before you walk through the door, you have to prove you're innocent and really they just have to decide on your sentence.
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20 November 2012, 05:23 PM
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He was unaware that the Glock had been sent back by his mates, he'd been sent back to help arrange a funeral for two colleagues. He then got injured himself and this affected his memory.
I think what sticks in my craw is the Military System that allowed this to get to a Courts Martial. With the new Military laws he could have been censured, "demoted", fined or both with out the Courts Martial taking place.
There may be more to this but the Courts Martial was open.
I think what sticks in my craw is the Military System that allowed this to get to a Courts Martial. With the new Military laws he could have been censured, "demoted", fined or both with out the Courts Martial taking place.
There may be more to this but the Courts Martial was open.
20 November 2012, 05:32 PM
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Ask any long term serving military personnel (serving overseas) whether they have ever had an 'illegal/unauthorised' firearm in their possession and I would think they'd be locking up half the armed forces.
Yes he did something wrong but serving your country in any of the armed forces and especially in special forces should automatically earn him some 'extra' consideration in his favour.
The military should have been supporting him not making an example.
Yes he did something wrong but serving your country in any of the armed forces and especially in special forces should automatically earn him some 'extra' consideration in his favour.
The military should have been supporting him not making an example.
20 November 2012, 05:49 PM
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It is actually the other way around, in the SAS you are given the shadow rank of trooper in completion of selection. You continue to be eligible for promotion in your own arm or service and can also be given shadow promotions within the SAS. The two will align if you then choose to go onto the SAS cadre when that effectively becomes your regiment for the rest of your service career.
21 November 2012, 09:17 AM
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Anyway, back on topic: Seems like a genuine mistake and there was a big confounding factor of a neurological injury here too. Lets hope the appeal goes though: this is no way to treat someone who has laid their life on the line for the country!
21 November 2012, 09:26 AM
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seen some injustice in my time but this is sooooo over the top.
as an ex serviceman myself you know the military law inside out
and this is a genuine mistake if you read the full story,
what he did was wrong and he knows this but the punishment
dose NOT fit the crime IMO.
21 November 2012, 12:22 PM
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He deserves to be banged up for 18 months - it's in a cozy Military Prison you know?
All this bull about him 'accidentally' having the gun ..... and 'accidentally' having 50 rounds of ammunition which, oddly enough, fits the gun precisely .. is just news media hype.
He has been caught bang to rights - and has been the 'example' to all the other idiots who think it is their right to have arms in Civi Street - it's about time these were dealt with.
We, you and I, supply them with the tools for the job when we require them to use them - they are dangerous tools and not for the street!
Imagine if a burglar got hold of the weapon and rounds - and, it was found out that the Army, allowed their workers to steal the tools of their trade? You would all be here wanting blood!!
He was an idiot who got caught gun handed .... tough.
All this bull about him 'accidentally' having the gun ..... and 'accidentally' having 50 rounds of ammunition which, oddly enough, fits the gun precisely .. is just news media hype.
He has been caught bang to rights - and has been the 'example' to all the other idiots who think it is their right to have arms in Civi Street - it's about time these were dealt with.
We, you and I, supply them with the tools for the job when we require them to use them - they are dangerous tools and not for the street!
Imagine if a burglar got hold of the weapon and rounds - and, it was found out that the Army, allowed their workers to steal the tools of their trade? You would all be here wanting blood!!
He was an idiot who got caught gun handed .... tough.
21 November 2012, 12:34 PM
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He deserves to be banged up for 18 months - it's in a cozy Military Prison you know?
All this bull about him 'accidentally' having the gun ..... and 'accidentally' having 50 rounds of ammunition which, oddly enough, fits the gun precisely .. is just news media hype.
He has been caught bang to rights - and has been the 'example' to all the other idiots who think it is their right to have arms in Civi Street - it's about time these were dealt with.
We, you and I, supply them with the tools for the job when we require them to use them - they are dangerous tools and not for the street!
Imagine if a burglar got hold of the weapon and rounds - and, it was found out that the Army, allowed their workers to steal the tools of their trade? You would all be here wanting blood!!
He was an idiot who got caught gun handed .... tough.
All this bull about him 'accidentally' having the gun ..... and 'accidentally' having 50 rounds of ammunition which, oddly enough, fits the gun precisely .. is just news media hype.
He has been caught bang to rights - and has been the 'example' to all the other idiots who think it is their right to have arms in Civi Street - it's about time these were dealt with.
We, you and I, supply them with the tools for the job when we require them to use them - they are dangerous tools and not for the street!
Imagine if a burglar got hold of the weapon and rounds - and, it was found out that the Army, allowed their workers to steal the tools of their trade? You would all be here wanting blood!!
He was an idiot who got caught gun handed .... tough.
I know soldiers who have been to MCTC then been transferred to a civvy nick. They said it was like going from hell to Butlins, and they enjoyed the experience of Play Stations and TV's.
Anyway, good news.
http://news.sky.com/story/1014338/ja...s-lodge-appeal
21 November 2012, 12:47 PM
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Lodging an appeal is one thing ...... getting a just punishment overturned is another.
And, as for not liking soldiers, that's poppycock!
All I ever do is cut through the bull****e and tell it as it is - I have been around so long now that I can do that ...... I'm not a sheep - I can form my own opinions.
The stealing of a handgun and ammunition is bad enough - but, keeping it under the bed where his children can get access to it and kill themselves is another.
He is an idiot, has made a wrong judgement, and needs to pay the price - the sooner these people stop thinking that they can do as they wish, the better IMO.
And, as for not liking soldiers, that's poppycock!
All I ever do is cut through the bull****e and tell it as it is - I have been around so long now that I can do that ...... I'm not a sheep - I can form my own opinions.
The stealing of a handgun and ammunition is bad enough - but, keeping it under the bed where his children can get access to it and kill themselves is another.
He is an idiot, has made a wrong judgement, and needs to pay the price - the sooner these people stop thinking that they can do as they wish, the better IMO.
21 November 2012, 02:33 PM
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Lodging an appeal is one thing ...... getting a just punishment overturned is another.
And, as for not liking soldiers, that's poppycock!
All I ever do is cut through the bull****e and tell it as it is - I have been around so long now that I can do that ...... I'm not a sheep - I can form my own opinions.
The stealing of a handgun and ammunition is bad enough - but, keeping it under the bed where his children can get access to it and kill themselves is another.
He is an idiot, has made a wrong judgement, and needs to pay the price - the sooner these people stop thinking that they can do as they wish, the better IMO.
And, as for not liking soldiers, that's poppycock!
All I ever do is cut through the bull****e and tell it as it is - I have been around so long now that I can do that ...... I'm not a sheep - I can form my own opinions.
The stealing of a handgun and ammunition is bad enough - but, keeping it under the bed where his children can get access to it and kill themselves is another.
He is an idiot, has made a wrong judgement, and needs to pay the price - the sooner these people stop thinking that they can do as they wish, the better IMO.
Hopefully the justice system will prevail, and a more apporpriate punishment will be awarded. After all he will spend longer inside than some people who have killed whilst behind the wheel of a car!!!
21 November 2012, 04:15 PM
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He had a weapon in his bedroom.
He had 50 rounds for that weapon in the same room.
He has children - as a child I hid under my parents bed, as all children do - that's where the weapon was.
If he has mental issues then he gives up his driving licence too ... at which point he will make a miraculous recovery, of course .... because it's bollox.
Nah, he did wrong - deserves the pathetically weak 18 month sentence - and hopefully will learn .... more importantly, the others who think they are above the law take note and abide by the same rules we have to.
He had 50 rounds for that weapon in the same room.
He has children - as a child I hid under my parents bed, as all children do - that's where the weapon was.
If he has mental issues then he gives up his driving licence too ... at which point he will make a miraculous recovery, of course .... because it's bollox.
Nah, he did wrong - deserves the pathetically weak 18 month sentence - and hopefully will learn .... more importantly, the others who think they are above the law take note and abide by the same rules we have to.
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21 November 2012, 04:54 PM
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I'v been to many courtmartials as an escort and seen crimes from murder to theft
and in my eyes this particular case is very rare and think the officer in charge must
have had a row with his mrs or didn't get his oats before going to work.
thus taking it out on this soldier, well OTT.
and in my eyes this particular case is very rare and think the officer in charge must
have had a row with his mrs or didn't get his oats before going to work.
thus taking it out on this soldier, well OTT.
21 November 2012, 10:02 PM
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Lodging an appeal is one thing ...... getting a just punishment overturned is another.
And, as for not liking soldiers, that's poppycock!
All I ever do is cut through the bull****e and tell it as it is - I have been around so long now that I can do that ...... I'm not a sheep - I can form my own opinions.
The stealing of a handgun and ammunition is bad enough - but, keeping it under the bed where his children can get access to it and kill themselves is another.
He is an idiot, has made a wrong judgement, and needs to pay the price - the sooner these people stop thinking that they can do as they wish, the better IMO.
And, as for not liking soldiers, that's poppycock!
All I ever do is cut through the bull****e and tell it as it is - I have been around so long now that I can do that ...... I'm not a sheep - I can form my own opinions.
The stealing of a handgun and ammunition is bad enough - but, keeping it under the bed where his children can get access to it and kill themselves is another.
He is an idiot, has made a wrong judgement, and needs to pay the price - the sooner these people stop thinking that they can do as they wish, the better IMO.
22 November 2012, 09:11 AM
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Never tell a woman anything!!! He should have known that!
Secondly, his punishment is "harsh" given his contribution but he knows the law just like anyone else in his position. That firearm should have been sent back and dealt with using the proper process "they" have.
Now he has his wife and kids all over the papers... no thanks!
Secondly, his punishment is "harsh" given his contribution but he knows the law just like anyone else in his position. That firearm should have been sent back and dealt with using the proper process "they" have.
Now he has his wife and kids all over the papers... no thanks!
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If it was a gift from the Iraqi special forces then I think he should have kept it, but got it deactivated ASAP and certainly not had any rounds.
I also think the sentence is harsh
Ps's comments come across as a bitter twisted individual that presumes mental disorders are imaginary, they certainly are not. This guy has made a mistake but in reality it's not like he's been skinning young children and roasting them. This guy has done a service to our country and to protect you pslewis, and you come out with distainful comments like that. I think your a complete idiot.
I also think the sentence is harsh
Ps's comments come across as a bitter twisted individual that presumes mental disorders are imaginary, they certainly are not. This guy has made a mistake but in reality it's not like he's been skinning young children and roasting them. This guy has done a service to our country and to protect you pslewis, and you come out with distainful comments like that. I think your a complete idiot.
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He appears to have been very harshly dealt with when compared to other crimes that are committed. Don't like the piece in the article with the Judge threatening him if he didn't admit the charge.
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