Attacks on guide dogs hit new high, says charity
11 June 2012, 09:34 AM
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Attacks on guide dogs hit new high, says charity
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18386963
They were saying on the news that the biggest culprits were bull breeds.
Why are dangerous dogs allowed on our streets?
Nobody wants them except a few selfish owners.
At the very least owners need to be made more responsible for their dogs by way of legal sanctions, i.e if you dogs bites someone or someones dog you go to jail.
They were saying on the news that the biggest culprits were bull breeds.
Why are dangerous dogs allowed on our streets?
Nobody wants them except a few selfish owners.
At the very least owners need to be made more responsible for their dogs by way of legal sanctions, i.e if you dogs bites someone or someones dog you go to jail.
11 June 2012, 11:30 AM
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They keep on wittling on about controlling the ownership of vicous dogs but no significant success so far.
Anyone whose dog causes such damage or injury should be held fully responsible and heavily fined.
Les
Anyone whose dog causes such damage or injury should be held fully responsible and heavily fined.
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11 June 2012, 11:41 AM
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You may find owners of such dogs don't have a penny to their names so pointless fining them.
A bit like fining and banning the car thief driving without a licence, it doesn't bother them.
Should be shot therefore no longer a problem.
A bit like fining and banning the car thief driving without a licence, it doesn't bother them.
Should be shot therefore no longer a problem.
11 June 2012, 12:22 PM
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11 June 2012, 12:28 PM
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Sad isnt it.
I know someone who had a GSD, really nice dog in itself but it had dog aggression issues. The owner would just let it roam around off the lead at his house - ok until the garden gate is left open. Anyone walking a dog past it would rip their dog to bits. I know of 2 cases where it cost him £1k+ in vets bills for the other persons dog. Made me so angry but he always paid the owners off. Always used to laugh and joke about it. Sick. The only plus point is he got rid of it recently and gave it to someone who can actually look after it. I think it must have killed a dog as one day it was just gone - but I heard that there was a lot more to it.
And there are lots of people out there like that.
I know someone who had a GSD, really nice dog in itself but it had dog aggression issues. The owner would just let it roam around off the lead at his house - ok until the garden gate is left open. Anyone walking a dog past it would rip their dog to bits. I know of 2 cases where it cost him £1k+ in vets bills for the other persons dog. Made me so angry but he always paid the owners off. Always used to laugh and joke about it. Sick. The only plus point is he got rid of it recently and gave it to someone who can actually look after it. I think it must have killed a dog as one day it was just gone - but I heard that there was a lot more to it.
And there are lots of people out there like that.
11 June 2012, 01:14 PM
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It's never the type of breed that is dangerous, it's the incompetent owners who buy a specific breed as a status symbol and actually have no idea on how to look after or train it...
I have a dobermann bitch now, i previously had a dobermann male, and before that a springer spanial and the reaction you get from other dog owners and walkers and the public in incrediable...
My springer was as mad a hatter, but she was seen as " loving family dog " because of her breed, although she was feircly protective or her mum, and sister ( missus and daughter ) around other dogs and on 1 occasion bit a british bull dog, cos he was hassling her in her old age and wouldnt leave her alone to plod along ( at a very slow pace....she was 15 years old at the time lol )....1st and only time may i add.
My male dobermann ( Winston ), was a complete whimp, he was scared of his own shadow, carrier bags, hoovers, rain, cars etc etc.....but because he was a huge dog, tail docked and weighed in at over 50kg he was pre-juged to be dangerous and aggresive which couldnt be further from reallity....he was a mummy's boy and followed the missus like a shadow, always wanting cuddles..till the day he died and loved nothing more than my 2 little nephews to pamper him, cuddle him, dress him up...even have his nails painted by my daughter, and even wear ribbons
and a hat
In contrast i now have an 18 month old female dobermann ( Kiva ), firstly the public and other dog owners have no idea what she is because she has a full tail ( iggnorance is bliss and all that ), but when you tell them its a dobermann there like " oh a dobermann " and you see in their eyes there attitude changes and they make a hasty retreat to other more acceptable " family dogs "............which so f***ing annoys me
as they see her as an aggresive dog that will bite, maul and attack anything that moves, but she is a family dog, well trained, well socialised and yet people have this thing about her being a " so called aggresive dog breed "...when the truth is no dog is born aggresive or viscous...it's purly down to the way the are trained, cared for and socialised with others both human and dogs but ultimately it's down to the owner, who in most cases have bought a " status symbol animal " because it makes them look good " usually never trained properly, probably left at home all day by itself, with no stimualtion....but ultimately have no idea on what the dogs needs are or how to look after it for it to be a happy, socialised, friendly animal whilst at the same time be prtoective of your children, your home etc etc...
In my eyes owners and prospective owners of any type of dog should have to prove that they understand the individual breeds requirements for the animal to have the best life possible before they are allowed to keep them
Rant over
I have a dobermann bitch now, i previously had a dobermann male, and before that a springer spanial and the reaction you get from other dog owners and walkers and the public in incrediable...
My springer was as mad a hatter, but she was seen as " loving family dog " because of her breed, although she was feircly protective or her mum, and sister ( missus and daughter ) around other dogs and on 1 occasion bit a british bull dog, cos he was hassling her in her old age and wouldnt leave her alone to plod along ( at a very slow pace....she was 15 years old at the time lol )....1st and only time may i add.
My male dobermann ( Winston ), was a complete whimp, he was scared of his own shadow, carrier bags, hoovers, rain, cars etc etc.....but because he was a huge dog, tail docked and weighed in at over 50kg he was pre-juged to be dangerous and aggresive which couldnt be further from reallity....he was a mummy's boy and followed the missus like a shadow, always wanting cuddles..till the day he died and loved nothing more than my 2 little nephews to pamper him, cuddle him, dress him up...even have his nails painted by my daughter, and even wear ribbons
and a hatIn contrast i now have an 18 month old female dobermann ( Kiva ), firstly the public and other dog owners have no idea what she is because she has a full tail ( iggnorance is bliss and all that ), but when you tell them its a dobermann there like " oh a dobermann " and you see in their eyes there attitude changes and they make a hasty retreat to other more acceptable " family dogs "............which so f***ing annoys me
as they see her as an aggresive dog that will bite, maul and attack anything that moves, but she is a family dog, well trained, well socialised and yet people have this thing about her being a " so called aggresive dog breed "...when the truth is no dog is born aggresive or viscous...it's purly down to the way the are trained, cared for and socialised with others both human and dogs but ultimately it's down to the owner, who in most cases have bought a " status symbol animal " because it makes them look good " usually never trained properly, probably left at home all day by itself, with no stimualtion....but ultimately have no idea on what the dogs needs are or how to look after it for it to be a happy, socialised, friendly animal whilst at the same time be prtoective of your children, your home etc etc...In my eyes owners and prospective owners of any type of dog should have to prove that they understand the individual breeds requirements for the animal to have the best life possible before they are allowed to keep them
Rant over
11 June 2012, 03:54 PM
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It's never the type of breed that is dangerous, it's the incompetent owners who buy a specific breed as a status symbol and actually have no idea on how to look after or train it...
I have a dobermann bitch now, i previously had a dobermann male, and before that a springer spanial and the reaction you get from other dog owners and walkers and the public in incrediable...
My springer was as mad a hatter, but she was seen as " loving family dog " because of her breed, although she was feircly protective or her mum, and sister ( missus and daughter ) around other dogs and on 1 occasion bit a british bull dog, cos he was hassling her in her old age and wouldnt leave her alone to plod along ( at a very slow pace....she was 15 years old at the time lol )....1st and only time may i add.
My male dobermann ( Winston ), was a complete whimp, he was scared of his own shadow, carrier bags, hoovers, rain, cars etc etc.....but because he was a huge dog, tail docked and weighed in at over 50kg he was pre-juged to be dangerous and aggresive which couldnt be further from reallity....he was a mummy's boy and followed the missus like a shadow, always wanting cuddles..till the day he died and loved nothing more than my 2 little nephews to pamper him, cuddle him, dress him up...even have his nails painted by my daughter, and even wear ribbons and a hat
In contrast i now have an 18 month old female dobermann ( Kiva ), firstly the public and other dog owners have no idea what she is because she has a full tail ( iggnorance is bliss and all that ), but when you tell them its a dobermann there like " oh a dobermann " and you see in their eyes there attitude changes and they make a hasty retreat to other more acceptable " family dogs "............which so f***ing annoys meas they see her as an aggresive dog that will bite, maul and attack anything that moves, but she is a family dog, well trained, well socialised and yet people have this thing about her being a " so called aggresive dog breed "...when the truth is no dog is born aggresive or viscous...it's purly down to the way the are trained, cared for and socialised with others both human and dogs but ultimately it's down to the owner, who in most cases have bought a " status symbol animal " because it makes them look good " usually never trained properly, probably left at home all day by itself, with no stimualtion....but ultimately have no idea on what the dogs needs are or how to look after it for it to be a happy, socialised, friendly animal whilst at the same time be prtoective of your children, your home etc etc...
In my eyes owners and prospective owners of any type of dog should have to prove that they understand the individual breeds requirements for the animal to have the best life possible before they are allowed to keep them
Rant over
I have a dobermann bitch now, i previously had a dobermann male, and before that a springer spanial and the reaction you get from other dog owners and walkers and the public in incrediable...
My springer was as mad a hatter, but she was seen as " loving family dog " because of her breed, although she was feircly protective or her mum, and sister ( missus and daughter ) around other dogs and on 1 occasion bit a british bull dog, cos he was hassling her in her old age and wouldnt leave her alone to plod along ( at a very slow pace....she was 15 years old at the time lol )....1st and only time may i add.
My male dobermann ( Winston ), was a complete whimp, he was scared of his own shadow, carrier bags, hoovers, rain, cars etc etc.....but because he was a huge dog, tail docked and weighed in at over 50kg he was pre-juged to be dangerous and aggresive which couldnt be further from reallity....he was a mummy's boy and followed the missus like a shadow, always wanting cuddles..till the day he died and loved nothing more than my 2 little nephews to pamper him, cuddle him, dress him up...even have his nails painted by my daughter, and even wear ribbons
and a hatIn contrast i now have an 18 month old female dobermann ( Kiva ), firstly the public and other dog owners have no idea what she is because she has a full tail ( iggnorance is bliss and all that ), but when you tell them its a dobermann there like " oh a dobermann " and you see in their eyes there attitude changes and they make a hasty retreat to other more acceptable " family dogs "............which so f***ing annoys me
as they see her as an aggresive dog that will bite, maul and attack anything that moves, but she is a family dog, well trained, well socialised and yet people have this thing about her being a " so called aggresive dog breed "...when the truth is no dog is born aggresive or viscous...it's purly down to the way the are trained, cared for and socialised with others both human and dogs but ultimately it's down to the owner, who in most cases have bought a " status symbol animal " because it makes them look good " usually never trained properly, probably left at home all day by itself, with no stimualtion....but ultimately have no idea on what the dogs needs are or how to look after it for it to be a happy, socialised, friendly animal whilst at the same time be prtoective of your children, your home etc etc...In my eyes owners and prospective owners of any type of dog should have to prove that they understand the individual breeds requirements for the animal to have the best life possible before they are allowed to keep them
Rant over
11 June 2012, 04:10 PM
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Well if a Doberman walks towards me how I am supposed to know that he is well trained and a big softie? I am nervous by default as a Doberman can cause damage if not properly trained.
I'm more relaxed walking past a Springer. And yes I have scars from a Spaniel bite
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I'm more relaxed walking past a Springer. And yes I have scars from a Spaniel bite
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11 June 2012, 04:41 PM
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Well if a Doberman walks towards me how I am supposed to know that he is well trained and a big softie? I am nervous by default as a Doberman can cause damage if not properly trained.
I'm more relaxed walking past a Springer. And yes I have scars from a Spaniel bite
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I'm more relaxed walking past a Springer. And yes I have scars from a Spaniel bite
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It does not help when " so called " aggresive dogs are used in films as " guard / attack dogs " ( ie dobermann, rottwieler etc ) granted but still, with the right owners and upbringing no dog is a viscous beast, it's the owner who makes them that way
11 June 2012, 04:46 PM
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The owners should know what their dogs like, and treat them accordingly.
I have a rottweiller and I know what she's capable of and what not, I feel it my responsibility to control her,small dogs are more aggressive IMO and they just want to go for my dog, but my dog just looks and ignores them.
So yes the owner is at fault, if they can't bring up a dog correctly or afford for microchip ping etc then they shouldn't own one full stop!
If the law came out were owners would be punished then there would be a lot of bad dogs off the streets.
I have a rottweiller and I know what she's capable of and what not, I feel it my responsibility to control her,small dogs are more aggressive IMO and they just want to go for my dog, but my dog just looks and ignores them.
So yes the owner is at fault, if they can't bring up a dog correctly or afford for microchip ping etc then they shouldn't own one full stop!
If the law came out were owners would be punished then there would be a lot of bad dogs off the streets.
11 June 2012, 04:57 PM
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Would you let someone roam the streets with a pet rhino or lion? No, because they are DANGEROUS due to their strength.
11 June 2012, 05:08 PM
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Point proven i think right there, you have assumed because it's a dobermann & big therefore it's aggresive and dangerous to others v's a spaniel which is known as a family dog, and is portrayed as a loving humble dog, that wouldn't hurt a fly....it's not the case
It does not help when " so called " aggresive dogs are used in films as " guard / attack dogs " ( ie dobermann, rottwieler etc ) granted but still, with the right owners and upbringing no dog is a viscous beast, it's the owner who makes them that way
It does not help when " so called " aggresive dogs are used in films as " guard / attack dogs " ( ie dobermann, rottwieler etc ) granted but still, with the right owners and upbringing no dog is a viscous beast, it's the owner who makes them that way
I'm not scared of dogs, but regardless of breed, a big dog gets my attention more than a little dog, as it is the biggest threat to me .. Just because its likely to be stronger and more difficult to fight off ..
I use my GSD when someone I don't know knocks at my house, I let her pull me towards them.. she wants to lick them to death, but they don't know that ..
Same as if someone had a tiger or a bear ... not about breed for me anyway.
11 June 2012, 05:18 PM
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Well if a Doberman walks towards me how I am supposed to know that he is well trained and a big softie? I am nervous by default as a Doberman can cause damage if not properly trained.
I'm more relaxed walking past a Springer. And yes I have scars from a Spaniel bite
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I'm more relaxed walking past a Springer. And yes I have scars from a Spaniel bite
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They really suffer for their film and television image though, from Magnum to war films. Alsations are far nastier, but Dobermanns look so much better...
11 June 2012, 06:23 PM
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**Some** Staffs are prone to being Dog Agressive, I ended up with one wrapped around my leg trying to eat our dog as the girl who was walking it couldnt control it, this, coupled with the fact they are powerful and sometimes not owned by the most responsible individuals do mean they get a bad rep, there were a few incidences of pensioners having their Yorkies or other small companion dig killed by Staffs owned by young lads, who thought it was amusing, this is also why there are so many Staffs in rescue centres. They are a lovely Dog but are pretty powerful and if not /socialized can be dangerous, any Dog can but their powerful jaws mean they can do a lot of damage for a relatively small dog.
The other problem round here are the "Trophy Dog" brigade, buy something pedigree, impressive and expensive for the image, goes nicely in a Q7/RR Sport but dont realise the effort and commitment needed, Weimeraner, Red Setter, Dalmation etc, some dont seem to realise a dog has a lot of needs, espeically young ones.
The other problem round here are the "Trophy Dog" brigade, buy something pedigree, impressive and expensive for the image, goes nicely in a Q7/RR Sport but dont realise the effort and commitment needed, Weimeraner, Red Setter, Dalmation etc, some dont seem to realise a dog has a lot of needs, espeically young ones.
12 June 2012, 12:17 AM
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It isnt the dog that is the problem it is the people, no point banning them from having a dog as they will just move onto something else that they can use as a status symbol whilst being antisocial.
I suspect the answer is to socialise the owners better and train them better the dogs will follow. Not as satisfying as victimising a few breeds etc but long term will be cheaper and better than keep locking up the badly trained and socialised owners.
Also can we apply this to parents as my people are hurt by children each year than dogs and we currently dont lock up parents for their inability to stop their drunk 17 year old from beating up someone else
I suspect the answer is to socialise the owners better and train them better the dogs will follow. Not as satisfying as victimising a few breeds etc but long term will be cheaper and better than keep locking up the badly trained and socialised owners.
Also can we apply this to parents as my people are hurt by children each year than dogs and we currently dont lock up parents for their inability to stop their drunk 17 year old from beating up someone else
12 June 2012, 06:50 AM
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sorry but if i saw this happenening the dog would get hoofed like a rugby ball along with the owner.too many idiots buying dogs that make them look "ard as ****"
i know a doberman breeder is callington and her dogs are lovely and very docile.the mrs wont let me have one though so we ended up with a poncy cat...
i know a doberman breeder is callington and her dogs are lovely and very docile.the mrs wont let me have one though so we ended up with a poncy cat...
12 June 2012, 10:33 PM
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The first step they should do is make every dog be kept on a lead in a public place. I have 2 beagles and they are like hovers when walking and just want their dinner.
Majority of dogs we see off the lead always attack jack. There is no reason to have a dog off the lead in public even in a playing field.
Majority of dogs we see off the lead always attack jack. There is no reason to have a dog off the lead in public even in a playing field.
12 June 2012, 11:19 PM
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I have a pedigree Staffordshire Bull Terrier and I always keep him on the lead when others are around or I'm in my local park, only time he is off is when I'm out in the countryside and even then he is straight back on if other dogs are about... Not because he is aggressive, but because what he could do, at the end of the day he is an animal
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OK I'll take your word for it. I have limited experience of the breed. The only one I knew well belonged to a couple who brought it into my local. Handsome dog but so protective of the wife. Go anywhere close to her and dog would be into turbo growling. Otherwise I was wary of visiting houses in an overseas location where everyone had a guard dog, GSD or Doberman.
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Even in the park on her walks, she is off her lead until we leave just playing with other dogs and people and i have no worries at all that she might become aggressive at any stage