dpb

my god like winding the clock back 35 years , bring along your wives and children for bit of instruction on how to be a racist thug

why would you bother travelling unless youre old skool holligan !!


still terry will feel at home

alcazar

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But who says? The media?

Chip

Why whats happened?

dpb

i doubt they were all posing for the camera

this was Panorama last night

hodgy0_2

the footage I saw was pretty shocking

David Lock

The graffiti alone was bad enough

dl

dpb

the ukrainian official was putting a 'brave' face on it .

( By resolutely denying there might be any such problem )

Martin2005

So much to look forward to...


A load of racist brainless fans

John Terry will no doubt be looking for a retirement home in Kiev


When will the feckin football season end...

oh god please make it stop

alcazar

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TBh, the media can and do, make anything look like anything else. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could chuck the lot of them.

It's not that long since we were being bombareded with stuff abbout South Africa being the murder capital of the world and there being loads of black on white racism, violence etc etc so don't go to the World cup.

Was there any problem? Because I didn't see any.

And now we have the usual knee jerk reaction from the anti-racist do-gooders in the UK: England should withdraw!

Right! And I can already see FIFA and EUFA lining up to mete out our punishment: no international competition for five years, no clubs in Europe for five years etc. GREAT idea!

I wonder how many other country's media have made documentaries about England for the Olympics, based on one-sided reporting of, say, the riots last summer?

Gear Head

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Football = A thugs game.

tubbytommy

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i shouldn't worry as all the polish and ukranians live here on benefits and earn extra money on the side washing cars.

tony de wonderful

Eastern Europe is backwards.

dpb

Do you think they just picked a highly provocative game Alcazar ?


I would like to think you're right

f1_fan

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Funny how no other sport seems to engender the thuggery that soccer does. Must be something to do with the calibre of people who are attracted to watch it. There is no other explanation reallly.

jonc

You're right, What Panorama showed last night where fans were shouting in unison anti-semitic and racist chants whilst doing neo-**** salutes was merely an isolated incident perpetrated by as small minority of several thousand Ukrainian and thousands more Polish fans at numerous clubs and matches.

alcazar

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But do you REALLY know WHAT they were?

The same lot, filmed from different views? People put up to it? Do you KNOW?

I'm not condoning anything, but we DO need to be careful, of the media. They can show us what's what..and they can also show us what's NOT!

jonc

Did you actually watch the Panorama programme last night? I know some media and perhaps a few journalists could have some sway, but I have my doubts about the ability of one foriegn jounalist and a small film crew who could make a crowd of several thousand baying football hooligans to playing up to the camera and incite violence.

If you missed it, watch it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...diums_of_Hate/

Ant

I remember the south Africa stories going about all the prostitution and you'll get aids by just going there blah blah .

And for all the football fans are idiot remarks , don't hate because you was the fat kid that got picked last.

dpb

Youd need to be a slightly less inteligent footy fan than average to think that

There certainly were plenty of legitimate people waiting to take their money....hookers came from all over africa (and everywhere else)


The dangerous aspect is always played up in the media , but they were in no more danger than any other pom over there at the time

Martin2005

Football is increasingly a game played by idiots, supported by idiots and administered by idiots!!

All present company excluded of course

f1_fan

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Go to an F1 race and you will find fans of all teams and drivers sitting together and laughing and joking with each other.

Now go to a football match and the fans have to be segregated as if they aren't they fight like animals.

The difference? IQ!

Ant

ahem








and finally http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-Eric-Lux.html

yes very dignified sport

Lord Marshall

So true not just f1.look at cricket even bitter rivals like India/pak fans get on at the match, even though they hate each other! Football attracts too many hooligans.

Ant

come off it cricket is hardly a passionate game.... yawn fest

tell me the last time football hooliganism was reported in the uk, you lot are living in the 80's when it was rife.

f1_fan

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LOL at your huge own goal (pun intended)!

The pic above is from a test session and they were Spanish football fans!!!!!

Oh dear, oh dear

Martin2005

You obviously know little about cricket or sporting rivalry's then!!

One of the most uninteresting and dull sports is football. Why else would it need all of this phony tribalism and laughable 'passion' injected into it!

f1_fan

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So does passion mean you have to set about the rival supporters with baseball bats and Stanley knives then?

I'm pretty passionate about F1 but have never felt like kicking the **** ot of an Alonso fan.

Dirk Diggler 75

Fancy giving a backward nation joint hostage of such a prestigious championships
(Kazakstan gets my vote).........

Ant

so you dismiss the other photos.

are they or are they not at the f1? simple yes or no will suffice.

It's like saying these football fans with base ball bats they went to silverstone once so you must be wrong

like i said earlier which people have looked over find me a recent story where there's been crowd trouble on a massive scale in the top flight in the uk in the last 10 years?

Ant

i know enough that it's boring and it involves the spectators to rely on drinking to get excited about it bit like golf really oh and darts.


and as for football is the dull sports you're entitled to your opinion and i respect that but you're wrong.


The final game of the premiership proved you wrong also the champions league final.