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um.. not so acording to Yahoo sports Kobayashi ran out of fuel, so Sauber are as useless.
The bigger question is, if this is correct WHY hasnt Kobayashi been chucked to the back with Hamilton?
Which leads to an even bigger question does it not?
The bigger question is, if this is correct WHY hasnt Kobayashi been chucked to the back with Hamilton?
Which leads to an even bigger question does it not?
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Kobayashi was hydraulics failure, not fuel.
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That was according to Ted Kravitz yesterday, I accept no responsibility for any inaccurate reporting on Sky.
I believe it came direct from the team though. It was originally thought to be a low fuel issue until that point though, so whoever wrote the article on Yahoo can't have been watching closely.
I believe it came direct from the team though. It was originally thought to be a low fuel issue until that point though, so whoever wrote the article on Yahoo can't have been watching closely.
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That was according to Ted Kravitz yesterday, I accept no responsibility for any inaccurate reporting on Sky.
I believe it came direct from the team though. It was originally thought to be a low fuel issue until that point though, so whoever wrote the article on Yahoo can't have been watching closely.
I believe it came direct from the team though. It was originally thought to be a low fuel issue until that point though, so whoever wrote the article on Yahoo can't have been watching closely.
i dont usually watch it much on there tbh, dont know if its just my laptop but it has an anoying habit of not allowing you to scroll down to read earlier posts, as soon as you let the button go it shoots back up to the top - ARGhhhh....
Should be a good race though,
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The mechanic was trying to refuel the car but the rig was extracting fuel from the tank instead. He reversed the rig but there was no time to check the fuel level before Hamilton ran out of time to get his qualifying laps in.
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I guess when your trying to squeeze every advantage possible including putting put the least amount of fuel in a F1 car (less fuel = less weight) and have a technical problem with the fueling. Its going to cause problem later on.
I do think that the penalty was extremely harsh.
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I do think that the penalty was extremely harsh.
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I guess when your trying to squeeze every advantage possible including putting put the least amount of fuel in a F1 car (less fuel = less weight) and have a technical problem with the fueling. Its going to cause problem later on.
I do think that the penalty was extremely harsh.
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I do think that the penalty was extremely harsh.
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Personally I don't buy McLaren's explanation as it being an engineer who misused the fuel rig.
McLaren don't just 'guess' how much to put in. If a mistake was made they'd be pretty meticulous about correcting it, especially something as important as fuel.
And, is it just a coincidence that of the 5 or 6 times the car had to be refuelled that day, this 'failure' happened on the very last, and most important, run of the whole day?
McLaren don't just 'guess' how much to put in. If a mistake was made they'd be pretty meticulous about correcting it, especially something as important as fuel.
And, is it just a coincidence that of the 5 or 6 times the car had to be refuelled that day, this 'failure' happened on the very last, and most important, run of the whole day?
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It seems very odd though that Mclaren get screwed every which way for mistakes but others get away with blatant cheating, like when Beneton had traction control after it was outlawed, F1 is as corrupt and dishonest as a sport gets, as Bernie Himself said, its not the cheating its the getting caught he does not like.
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It seems very odd though that Mclaren get screwed every which way for mistakes but others get away with blatant cheating, like when Beneton had traction control after it was outlawed, F1 is as corrupt and dishonest as a sport gets, as Bernie Himself said, its not the cheating its the getting caught he does not like.
He is one ruthless **** who has done some serious things over the years.
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It's books like that that make people believe things like Benetton using traction control when it was banned.
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To be frank he was lucky not to have been excluded from the race. If he had continued back to the pits he would not have had enough fuel for a sample and the penalty for that is disqualification from the race entirely. So in some ways the stewards treated him lightly.
McLaren need to sort their house out though. They are costing Lewis points with stuff like this, Jenson too a few races back.
McLaren need to sort their house out though. They are costing Lewis points with stuff like this, Jenson too a few races back.
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Wakey wakey another championship slipping away boys
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So Benetton never cheated in 1994 ? Thats at odds with the opinion of the majority of people who actually worked in F1 at the time so please explain why your opinion is so different ? It is established fact Benetton had something illegal on their car that was blatantly traction control but they denied switching it on and the FIA never proved exactly what it was, even Senna claimed thty had traction control and I trust his opinion and those of every F1 engineer I ever met more than yours.
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So Benetton never cheated in 1994 ? Thats at odds with the opinion of the majority of people who actually worked in F1 at the time so please explain why your opinion is so different ? It is established fact Benetton had something illegal on their car that was blatantly traction control but they denied switching it on and the FIA never proved exactly what it was, even Senna claimed thty had traction control and I trust his opinion and those of every F1 engineer I ever met more than yours.
Er well try that although the FIA on several occasions took Michael's race winning Benetton off him at the end of a race and conducted a number of investigations including using external tech companies and the fact that they did find some sort of control software in the car's systems they could find
a) no way to engage it either physcially or electronically
and more importantly
b) no sensors or input wiring to the car's computer 'brain' to make the system work. Benetton claimed the software was still in the system form the preceding year, but all sensors and wiring for it were gone.
Also you can really hear traction control working on an F1 car and although Senna claimed he could hear something different on the Benettons (and the Ferraris as it happens) it is believed that the noise he heard was more an engine mapping difference and indeed this is probably where any clever performance tricks with the cars was to be found.
You have to remember that as great as Senna was he was getting his **** kicked. We know it was in part due to the twitchiness of the Williams as much as the superiority of the Benetton yet no champion driver, especially Senna, likes to have to cope with that so they start looking for other reasons.
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I think McLaren sound like they are trying to make up excuses when really they could just admit what happened.
If the rig was faulty they'd have been able to show it to the stewards, they messed up. Not too hard, I mena they left a wheel in the way of Hamilton as he tried to leave the pits too.
almost as bad as Red Bull assuring Webber he din't need to make another run to get into the next stage of qualifying (oowf).
The real issue was that this wasn't just 0.001 of an advantage, he was half a second in front, that wasn't down to a couple of litres of juice sot the punishment was rather harsh.
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If the rig was faulty they'd have been able to show it to the stewards, they messed up. Not too hard, I mena they left a wheel in the way of Hamilton as he tried to leave the pits too.
almost as bad as Red Bull assuring Webber he din't need to make another run to get into the next stage of qualifying (oowf).
The real issue was that this wasn't just 0.001 of an advantage, he was half a second in front, that wasn't down to a couple of litres of juice sot the punishment was rather harsh.
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I think McLaren sound like they are trying to make up excuses when really they could just admit what happened.
If the rig was faulty they'd have been able to show it to the stewards, they messed up. Not too hard, I mena they left a wheel in the way of Hamilton as he tried to leave the pits too.
almost as bad as Red Bull assuring Webber he din't need to make another run to get into the next stage of qualifying (oowf).
The real issue was that this wasn't just 0.001 of an advantage, he was half a second in front, that wasn't down to a couple of litres of juice sot the punishment was rather harsh.
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If the rig was faulty they'd have been able to show it to the stewards, they messed up. Not too hard, I mena they left a wheel in the way of Hamilton as he tried to leave the pits too.
almost as bad as Red Bull assuring Webber he din't need to make another run to get into the next stage of qualifying (oowf).
The real issue was that this wasn't just 0.001 of an advantage, he was half a second in front, that wasn't down to a couple of litres of juice sot the punishment was rather harsh.
5t.
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Except when they apply to Bernies mates, how many race results should have been stripped from Schumaker for illegal fuel stops and incorrect weights, not to mention Verstappen, a Benetton driver claiming that Schumacker had traction control. I had traction control but diddn't use it is hardly a good excuse. Same as deliberate rule changes just to stop Williams winning,. F1 is too much about cheating and politics not enough about racing.
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Except when they apply to Bernies mates, how many race results should have been stripped from Schumaker for illegal fuel stops and incorrect weights, not to mention Verstappen, a Benetton driver claiming that Schumacker had traction control. I had traction control but diddn't use it is hardly a good excuse. Same as deliberate rule changes just to stop Williams winning,. F1 is too much about cheating and politics not enough about racing.
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To be frank he was lucky not to have been excluded from the race. If he had continued back to the pits he would not have had enough fuel for a sample and the penalty for that is disqualification from the race entirely. So in some ways the stewards treated him lightly.
McLaren need to sort their house out though. They are costing Lewis points with stuff like this, Jenson too a few races back.
McLaren need to sort their house out though. They are costing Lewis points with stuff like this, Jenson too a few races back.
How much he gain with underfuelling the car,i don't think he will gain 0.500
Agreed McLaren needs to sorting out and Sam Michael seems will not helping out from this mess,
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But if someone will not take the part(simply will not run,want save tyres) in the Q3,he can race,this is OK for you or stewards,which is wrong
How much he gain with underfuelling the car,i don't think he will gain 0.500
Agreed McLaren needs to sorting out and Sam Michael seems will not helping out from this mess,
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How much he gain with underfuelling the car,i don't think he will gain 0.500
Agreed McLaren needs to sorting out and Sam Michael seems will not helping out from this mess,
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I think McLaren sound like they are trying to make up excuses when really they could just admit what happened.
If the rig was faulty they'd have been able to show it to the stewards, they messed up. Not too hard, I mena they left a wheel in the way of Hamilton as he tried to leave the pits too.
almost as bad as Red Bull assuring Webber he din't need to make another run to get into the next stage of qualifying (oowf).
The real issue was that this wasn't just 0.001 of an advantage, he was half a second in front, that wasn't down to a couple of litres of juice sot the punishment was rather harsh.
5t.
If the rig was faulty they'd have been able to show it to the stewards, they messed up. Not too hard, I mena they left a wheel in the way of Hamilton as he tried to leave the pits too.
almost as bad as Red Bull assuring Webber he din't need to make another run to get into the next stage of qualifying (oowf).
The real issue was that this wasn't just 0.001 of an advantage, he was half a second in front, that wasn't down to a couple of litres of juice sot the punishment was rather harsh.
5t.
I agree with you about the harshness of the penalty and his outstanding lap time.
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