Nokia - pulls a blinder
01 March 2012, 10:46 PM
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Nokia - pulls a blinder
Well that was unexpected...
makes all other camera phones pale into insignificance
its called pureview, and it packs a whopping 41MP camera sensor
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_at_mwc...review-725.php
some compression / sw trickery, by the sounds, but you can by the reports of it shoot a 38mp image.
should be intersting
Mart
makes all other camera phones pale into insignificance
its called pureview, and it packs a whopping 41MP camera sensor
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_at_mwc...review-725.php
some compression / sw trickery, by the sounds, but you can by the reports of it shoot a 38mp image.
should be intersting
Mart
01 March 2012, 11:12 PM
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*yawn*
Rubbish in, equals rubbish out. Always has, always will. There is a maximum amount of pixels that can be useful in a camera phone, and 41MP is way beyond that.
Rubbish in, equals rubbish out. Always has, always will. There is a maximum amount of pixels that can be useful in a camera phone, and 41MP is way beyond that.
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02 March 2012, 12:08 AM
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Officially the most pointless product ever. Here is why:
You only need around 5MP to print a high quality A5 sized picture. That means that pretty much any modern camera phone or digital camera has more than enough resolution for your candid shooting/printing needs.
With 41MP you could virtually print a bloody bus top advertisement billboard. But here is the thing, if you are using a camera phone to take a picture for printing at any size higher than A4 then you simply should be shot.
Megapixels are virtually irrelevant these days since pretty much any camera has more than enough for day to day use. If you are planning on printing at a high quality at a size higher than A4 (higher than A5 tbh) then you should be using a high quality DSLR.
To put all of that in real layman terms: What Nokia has done would be like Nissan fitting the AWD transmission and gearbox from an R35 GTR to a Nissan Almera diesel and retaining the stock engine, brakes and suspension. You can bang on about it all you want in the marketing but, ultimately, in that application the AWD/gearbox add no value whatsoever.
You only need around 5MP to print a high quality A5 sized picture. That means that pretty much any modern camera phone or digital camera has more than enough resolution for your candid shooting/printing needs.
With 41MP you could virtually print a bloody bus top advertisement billboard. But here is the thing, if you are using a camera phone to take a picture for printing at any size higher than A4 then you simply should be shot.
Megapixels are virtually irrelevant these days since pretty much any camera has more than enough for day to day use. If you are planning on printing at a high quality at a size higher than A4 (higher than A5 tbh) then you should be using a high quality DSLR.
To put all of that in real layman terms: What Nokia has done would be like Nissan fitting the AWD transmission and gearbox from an R35 GTR to a Nissan Almera diesel and retaining the stock engine, brakes and suspension. You can bang on about it all you want in the marketing but, ultimately, in that application the AWD/gearbox add no value whatsoever.
02 March 2012, 12:50 AM
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Officially the most pointless product ever. Here is why:
You only need around 5MP to print a high quality A5 sized picture. That means that pretty much any modern camera phone or digital camera has more than enough resolution for your candid shooting/printing needs.
With 41MP you could virtually print a bloody bus top advertisement billboard. But here is the thing, if you are using a camera phone to take a picture for printing at any size higher than A4 then you simply should be shot.
Megapixels are virtually irrelevant these days since pretty much any camera has more than enough for day to day use. If you are planning on printing at a high quality at a size higher than A4 (higher than A5 tbh) then you should be using a high quality DSLR.
To put all of that in real layman terms: What Nokia has done would be like Nissan fitting the AWD transmission and gearbox from an R35 GTR to a Nissan Almera diesel and retaining the stock engine, brakes and suspension. You can bang on about it all you want in the marketing but, ultimately, in that application the AWD/gearbox add no value whatsoever.
You only need around 5MP to print a high quality A5 sized picture. That means that pretty much any modern camera phone or digital camera has more than enough resolution for your candid shooting/printing needs.
With 41MP you could virtually print a bloody bus top advertisement billboard. But here is the thing, if you are using a camera phone to take a picture for printing at any size higher than A4 then you simply should be shot.
Megapixels are virtually irrelevant these days since pretty much any camera has more than enough for day to day use. If you are planning on printing at a high quality at a size higher than A4 (higher than A5 tbh) then you should be using a high quality DSLR.
To put all of that in real layman terms: What Nokia has done would be like Nissan fitting the AWD transmission and gearbox from an R35 GTR to a Nissan Almera diesel and retaining the stock engine, brakes and suspension. You can bang on about it all you want in the marketing but, ultimately, in that application the AWD/gearbox add no value whatsoever.
God, you say all that like its a car forum or something...
02 March 2012, 08:38 AM
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The intention of 41mp is that it will allow you to zoom into the picture without the loss of detail that you get with lower mega pixel cameras. Since camera phones generally don't have optical zoom, a higher pixel count will be a huge benefit in capturing and maintaining higher picture quality when zooming into an image . However, regardless of pixel count, the image will only be as good as he lens but Nokia do tend to use better lenses than the majority of other phone makers.
02 March 2012, 08:38 AM
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Unless it has proper optics, which is wont in a phone it will only ever be "good for a phone camera", there is a reason the digital SLR and pro cameras sell, cant imagine pro photographers using a phone, that said it will be pretty decent if a little pointless, my old N95 had a brilliant camera. Perhaps as they will be like £100 or so we could buy one to glue to the back of an Iphone to improve on the camera on that ?
02 March 2012, 08:49 AM
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I could write a nice piece on why megapixels aren't the only important thing when it comes to digital cameras but feel it would probably be lost on the 'the more megapixels the better' marketing led populous of Scoobynet!
02 March 2012, 09:14 AM
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The reviews I've read, albeit they are quite brief so far, say that the pictures from the Nokia are superb. It doesn't matter how much theory you throw at it regarding the MP count and/or optics, if the pictures are excellent quality no-one give a monkeys 'why'.
My guess is this was being worked on before the M$ agreement, hence why it's come along on Symbian first, but that it'll appear on a Windoze phone soon.
Dave
My guess is this was being worked on before the M$ agreement, hence why it's come along on Symbian first, but that it'll appear on a Windoze phone soon.
Dave
02 March 2012, 09:21 AM
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A sybian with a camera might be more useful too
Can't see the point of 41MP anyway.
I suspect it may be like one of my old Cybershots, even though it claimed 8MP, my old 3.2MP Cannon compact produced far superior images. The Cybershot's pictures looked like something taken on a 2MP CCD then upscaled to 8MP via software (which I suspect it was).
And anyway, what printer will have enough definition to make use of a 41MP image, unless printing high resolution posters!?
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02 March 2012, 09:24 AM
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The intention of 41mp is that it will allow you to zoom into the picture without the loss of detail that you get with lower mega pixel cameras. Since camera phones generally don't have optical zoom, a higher pixel count will be a huge benefit in capturing and maintaining higher picture quality when zooming into an image . However, regardless of pixel count, the image will only be as good as he lens but Nokia do tend to use better lenses than the majority of other phone makers.
It's not for the size of the pictures but the ability to have digital zoom that doesn't ruin everything.
02 March 2012, 09:53 AM
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Yes you can still crop the image later but wouldn't you like to have both without carrying a huge lens around?
I'm not saying it can rival a decent camera I'm just saying it's a good middle ground.
02 March 2012, 09:59 AM
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Looks like everyone here has missed the point of the camera tech and concentrated on the MPix count rather than look at how it actually works*.
The extra megapixels are used to allow for noise to effectively be cancelled out via the oversampling software algorithm that is applied to the raw image to effectively wipe out any noise in the image, producing 5 or 8MP images that have superior colour and clarity to pictures taken phones with equivalent sensors. It's on Symbian rather than Nokia because work was started on it well before the MS deal was done, and because the WindowsPhone hardware simply cannot do it.
*There is a white paper published by Nokia about how it works if any of you are so inclined.
The extra megapixels are used to allow for noise to effectively be cancelled out via the oversampling software algorithm that is applied to the raw image to effectively wipe out any noise in the image, producing 5 or 8MP images that have superior colour and clarity to pictures taken phones with equivalent sensors. It's on Symbian rather than Nokia because work was started on it well before the MS deal was done, and because the WindowsPhone hardware simply cannot do it.
*There is a white paper published by Nokia about how it works if any of you are so inclined.
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Indeed, it is clever stuff.
Basically using 2x2 or 4x4 binning to give a much better quality image.
I use the same technique for astrophotography where image quality and low noise is difficult to achieve in low light situations. People pay five figures for a dedicated CCD camera that can do this.
So if nothing else Nokia are basically saying, yep, its 41mp. But don't use it like that, think of it as a much lower megapix camera just much higher quality output. I understand that Canon are also playing with this for some of their upcoming DIGIC5 and DIGIC5+ cameras that have high megapix counts.
Basically using 2x2 or 4x4 binning to give a much better quality image.
I use the same technique for astrophotography where image quality and low noise is difficult to achieve in low light situations. People pay five figures for a dedicated CCD camera that can do this.
So if nothing else Nokia are basically saying, yep, its 41mp. But don't use it like that, think of it as a much lower megapix camera just much higher quality output. I understand that Canon are also playing with this for some of their upcoming DIGIC5 and DIGIC5+ cameras that have high megapix counts.
