Please let this be true
08 November 2011, 08:55 PM
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Please let this be true
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16106155
Should never have been released in the first place
Mart
Should never have been released in the first place
Mart
08 November 2011, 09:04 PM
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Hmm... It's going to cost us a fortune to keep him in.
Wouldn't it do us all a favour if he was let out and started to shoot off exactly who he his?
He wouldn't last long, would he?
Not that I'm for vigilante action, of course...
Wouldn't it do us all a favour if he was let out and started to shoot off exactly who he his?
He wouldn't last long, would he?
Not that I'm for vigilante action, of course...
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09 November 2011, 07:17 AM
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"In his twisted mind, he believes the name Jon Venables makes him a celebrity.
"He cannot resist telling people who he really is and seems to get some kind of perverse thrill from it."
Surely if this is the case then he wouldn't have survived this long!
Given he brutally murdered a toddler after sexually abusing him and since his alleged 'rehabilitation and release' he was found to have child **** on his computer this should be reason(s) enough to jail the scum indefinitely! He is a menace to the most vulnerable members of society!
"He cannot resist telling people who he really is and seems to get some kind of perverse thrill from it."
Surely if this is the case then he wouldn't have survived this long!
Given he brutally murdered a toddler after sexually abusing him and since his alleged 'rehabilitation and release' he was found to have child **** on his computer this should be reason(s) enough to jail the scum indefinitely! He is a menace to the most vulnerable members of society!
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09 November 2011, 08:52 AM
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I have a certain amount of sympathy.
He wasn't born a killer....his parents lack of skills made him like this.
They are guilty.
Of course I am not saying he is completely innocent, but something in his childhood has gone very wrong for him to act like this. None of our kids would act like this.
That said, he had his chance and unfortunately (for him) he has blown it.
He wasn't born a killer....his parents lack of skills made him like this.
They are guilty.
Of course I am not saying he is completely innocent, but something in his childhood has gone very wrong for him to act like this. None of our kids would act like this.
That said, he had his chance and unfortunately (for him) he has blown it.
09 November 2011, 03:18 PM
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During his time "out", he was involved in a pub in my town.
Needless to say, he left VERY quickly once the cat was out of the bag - I love my little town/village, but it is very much "pitchforks and torches"......
He had a lucky escape.
Best place for him in prison..... or 6ft under.
Needless to say, he left VERY quickly once the cat was out of the bag - I love my little town/village, but it is very much "pitchforks and torches"......
He had a lucky escape.
Best place for him in prison..... or 6ft under.
09 November 2011, 03:33 PM
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I have a certain amount of sympathy.
He wasn't born a killer....his parents lack of skills made him like this.
They are guilty.
Of course I am not saying he is completely innocent, but something in his childhood has gone very wrong for him to act like this. None of our kids would act like this.
That said, he had his chance and unfortunately (for him) he has blown it.
He wasn't born a killer....his parents lack of skills made him like this.
They are guilty.
Of course I am not saying he is completely innocent, but something in his childhood has gone very wrong for him to act like this. None of our kids would act like this.
That said, he had his chance and unfortunately (for him) he has blown it.
09 November 2011, 03:41 PM
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hes had his chance to show he had learnt and was mearly a stupid child.
If he wants to be famous let him out under his own name, i'd give it 2 months before he 'disapears' and is found dead on a railway track. Saves tax payers money as well.
If he wants to be famous let him out under his own name, i'd give it 2 months before he 'disapears' and is found dead on a railway track. Saves tax payers money as well.
09 November 2011, 03:44 PM
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I have a certain amount of sympathy.
He wasn't born a killer....his parents lack of skills made him like this.
They are guilty.
Of course I am not saying he is completely innocent, but something in his childhood has gone very wrong for him to act like this. None of our kids would act like this.
That said, he had his chance and unfortunately (for him) he has blown it.
He wasn't born a killer....his parents lack of skills made him like this.
They are guilty.
Of course I am not saying he is completely innocent, but something in his childhood has gone very wrong for him to act like this. None of our kids would act like this.
That said, he had his chance and unfortunately (for him) he has blown it.
and yes they would have had to pay for me instead!!!!
09 November 2011, 04:02 PM
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Can't always blame the parents? We are talking about a 10 year old boy here, not the adult he is now.
I don't think there have been that many child rapists or murderers to take statistics from. Children are not born killers or murderers. Something went very wrong in his upbringing.
I don't think there have been that many child rapists or murderers to take statistics from. Children are not born killers or murderers. Something went very wrong in his upbringing.
09 November 2011, 04:22 PM
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So davyboy, by the same token, are some people not born gay, do their parents make them gay?
That's the big issue I have with these things. We accept that gay people are just the way they are, having sex with people of the same sex is what does it for them, that's fine. but do we then have to accept that paedos are also genetically predisposed to their own sexual preference and if so, why do we think they can ever be safe to let out? We know we can't 'cure' people from being gay.
Does it also follow that some people, some twisted people just enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others? some have a degree of control and limit it to their sexual games, others don't know the limits and go beyond as in this case. Perhaps the parent issue was not putting those limits in place?
If children are not born killers then surely there wouldn't be any adult ones either? Age old nature versus nuture arguement. There are also dramatic cases of kids who have been horribly abused goign on to live very notable lives and not become killers or follow in their parents footsteps, how do you account for that? What about brothers and sisters they might have, same parents, different lives, Gordon Ramsey and his smackhead drop kick brother for example?
Anyway, I'm all for the death penalty but in the original case it wouldn't have been right. You can't gas kids no matter what.
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That's the big issue I have with these things. We accept that gay people are just the way they are, having sex with people of the same sex is what does it for them, that's fine. but do we then have to accept that paedos are also genetically predisposed to their own sexual preference and if so, why do we think they can ever be safe to let out? We know we can't 'cure' people from being gay.
Does it also follow that some people, some twisted people just enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others? some have a degree of control and limit it to their sexual games, others don't know the limits and go beyond as in this case. Perhaps the parent issue was not putting those limits in place?
If children are not born killers then surely there wouldn't be any adult ones either? Age old nature versus nuture arguement. There are also dramatic cases of kids who have been horribly abused goign on to live very notable lives and not become killers or follow in their parents footsteps, how do you account for that? What about brothers and sisters they might have, same parents, different lives, Gordon Ramsey and his smackhead drop kick brother for example?
Anyway, I'm all for the death penalty but in the original case it wouldn't have been right. You can't gas kids no matter what.
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09 November 2011, 04:28 PM
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So davyboy, by the same token, are some people not born gay, do their parents make them gay?
That's the big issue I have with these things. We accept that gay people are just the way they are, having sex with people of the same sex is what does it for them, that's fine. but do we then have to accept that paedos are also genetically predisposed to their own sexual preference and if so, why do we think they can ever be safe to let out? We know we can't 'cure' people from being gay.
Does it also follow that some people, some twisted people just enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others? some have a degree of control and limit it to their sexual games, others don't know the limits and go beyond as in this case. Perhaps the parent issue was not putting those limits in place?
If children are not born killers then surely there wouldn't be any adult ones either? Age old nature versus nuture arguement. There are also dramatic cases of kids who have been horribly abused goign on to live very notable lives and not become killers or follow in their parents footsteps, how do you account for that? What about brothers and sisters they might have, same parents, different lives, Gordon Ramsey and his smackhead drop kick brother for example?
Anyway, I'm all for the death penalty but in the original case it wouldn't have been right. You can't gas kids no matter what.
5t
That's the big issue I have with these things. We accept that gay people are just the way they are, having sex with people of the same sex is what does it for them, that's fine. but do we then have to accept that paedos are also genetically predisposed to their own sexual preference and if so, why do we think they can ever be safe to let out? We know we can't 'cure' people from being gay.
Does it also follow that some people, some twisted people just enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others? some have a degree of control and limit it to their sexual games, others don't know the limits and go beyond as in this case. Perhaps the parent issue was not putting those limits in place?
If children are not born killers then surely there wouldn't be any adult ones either? Age old nature versus nuture arguement. There are also dramatic cases of kids who have been horribly abused goign on to live very notable lives and not become killers or follow in their parents footsteps, how do you account for that? What about brothers and sisters they might have, same parents, different lives, Gordon Ramsey and his smackhead drop kick brother for example?
Anyway, I'm all for the death penalty but in the original case it wouldn't have been right. You can't gas kids no matter what.
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09 November 2011, 04:35 PM
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Can't always blame the parents? We are talking about a 10 year old boy here, not the adult he is now.
I don't think there have been that many child rapists or murderers to take statistics from. Children are not born killers or murderers. Something went very wrong in his upbringing.
I don't think there have been that many child rapists or murderers to take statistics from. Children are not born killers or murderers. Something went very wrong in his upbringing.
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09 November 2011, 06:54 PM
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09 November 2011, 07:03 PM
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Agreed, from memory social services and the police didn't take much interest in the parents at the time, i may stand to be correct mind. having said that some kids are just 'wired' wrong but he did not commit the acts of violence and sexual abuse resulting in death alone, what are the chances of two boys living close together willing and capable of doing what they did, bad parents/parenting, faulty wiring, maybe they where both being abused... i just do not know what the answer is.
The fact that a pair of ten years old were left out to roam whereever they please is a strong indication of bad parent. Well, more to be more precise 'I don't give a f**k' where my children are or what they maybe doing' type parenting. Its down to pure luck on how that child turns out.
If someone of that age was left to run around without parental supervision, then how long were they allowed to do that for? Since they were 6? And if so, then there was nobody to tell them or stop them doing wrong until AFTER the event.....and thats presuming they were found out. If the parents were that inattentive then these kids pobably did a load of stuff without their parent's knowledge (Possibly suffering from 'little angel' syndrome, as I like to call it).
i.e Its clear they were not doing anything to steer them in any direction in life and leaving them to follow a path that to all intents destroyed their future. Regardless of their claimed deranged mindset (i.e serial killer in the making blah blah - come off it) something was severly lacking in their upbringing and supervision that allowed them to degenerate into a killer - a good attentive parent would have been around. Their parents weren't - clearly, otherwise they wouldn't have had chance to roam about and murder a toddler. End of.
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09 November 2011, 07:14 PM
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09 November 2011, 07:22 PM
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I doubt it. Killing an innocent toddler. Torturing him first by sticking batteries up his anus or cutting his fingers off one by one. You think that's more twisted than having someone punished by means of the death sentance. I'm sorry but that it absolute bollocks