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07 November 2011, 10:11 PM
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Michael jackson
Well....he was slightly odd.Still some good music.
Still think American justice is 'interesting'
Still think American justice is 'interesting'
07 November 2011, 11:00 PM
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Probably due to it being Jackson...
...but surely negligent and should be at least suspended.
Stockpiling 4 gallons of a drug where a ml or two will put out a horse; using unauthorised scrips; for a drug that is not normally used outside of a hospital.
Whether he should do time is questionable but he shouldn't be allowed to do medicine.
...but surely negligent and should be at least suspended.
Stockpiling 4 gallons of a drug where a ml or two will put out a horse; using unauthorised scrips; for a drug that is not normally used outside of a hospital.
Whether he should do time is questionable but he shouldn't be allowed to do medicine.
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08 November 2011, 10:29 AM
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Makes me sick - wonder if Gary glitter would be looked at the same if he could dance well. where was the justice system when he was touching up kids, ******* nonce!
08 November 2011, 01:24 PM
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He was a great artist - no doubt about that that but he was seriously
Conrad Murray shouldnt have given him all that crap, lets face it Jacko was a mess, but how much of it was insisted on by Jackson?, If he, Murray, didn't give to him Jacko would have found someone else who would in no short order I guess.... IMHO
Conrad Murray shouldnt have given him all that crap, lets face it Jacko was a mess, but how much of it was insisted on by Jackson?, If he, Murray, didn't give to him Jacko would have found someone else who would in no short order I guess.... IMHO
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I wonder how many people were in the back ground saying,
'I don't care how you do it but get him back to work.He is worth a fortune to us!'
'I don't care how you do it but get him back to work.He is worth a fortune to us!'
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almost can't be arsed...
if you believe anything said by the american media you're almost too thick to be worth arguing with, americans will say and do ANYTHING for money dumb ***, immature and naive certainly but pedo?, sorry don't believe a word. Stick with the daily mail plenty of racist made up bullshi* in there too.
09 November 2011, 10:33 AM
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if you believe anything said by the american media you're almost too thick to be worth arguing with, americans will say and do ANYTHING for money dumb ***, immature and naive certainly but pedo?, sorry don't believe a word. Stick with the daily mail plenty of racist made up bullshi* in there too.
are you for real?? where the **** have you been for the last 15 years? And you've contratradicticed yourself quite well in this post - Yes, american's WILL say and do anything for money, including covering up a sick ****** who represents the good ole US of A and then finding someone else guilty of his death, even though its quite obvious that it was jacko himself who was DEMANDING the said drugs. Get real d1ck head, one less beast on the streets to worry about
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It wasn't just one man who killed the King of Pop
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...p-6259011.html
well worth a read!
When the verdict was announced, his sister shrieked. She sent a tweet to her 125,000 followers saying "VICTORY", and ended it with seven exclamation marks. His fans waved their banners praising Jesus, and screamed, and wept, and blew horns. People said, while crying in front of cameras, that there had, at long last, been what their banners had demanded: "Justice for Michael!". His mother agreed. "I feel," she told reporters, "better now."
Everyone seemed to. Everyone – apart, perhaps, from Conrad Murray, and his defence lawyers, and maybe some of the women who claimed to be his girlfriend, and maybe some of the mothers of some of his children – seemed to feel an awful lot better now. They seemed to think that although nothing could bring back the man they claimed to love so much, this was a very, very happy day. They seemed to feel like Michael Jackson's mother, who couldn't wait "to go home and share this day" with his children, and "couldn't hold back tears of joy".
Everyone seemed to think that what had been a tragedy wasn't any more. Because a man who was paid nearly £100,000 a month to give him the kind of drugs you can't just pick up at Boots, had given him an awful lot of the kind of drugs you can't pick up at Boots, and been so careless about it that he'd been chatting on the phone to a cocktail waitress while the man he was meant to be looking after was having a bad reaction to a drug you definitely can't pick up at Boots, had been found guilty of killing him by accident. Or it wasn't as much of a tragedy as it had been, because the person who caused it had been found and would be punished.
Perhaps when these people heard that the most successful pop star in world history, who was not only a brilliant singer, and songwriter, but also did some of the most athletic and original dancing ever done by a rock star, and who cared so much about his appearance that he made improving it into a life's quest, was crippled with arthritis, and nearly blind, and had a toenail fungus so bad that doctors thought his flesh was rotting away, they thought this was a normal thing for a 50-year-old man. Maybe when they heard a recording of his voice, which was so weak and slurred that you could hardly make out the words, but which had sounded pretty good on the albums that almost everyone in the Western world had bought, they thought this was normal, too.
And maybe not a single one of these people wondered what on earth had happened to his family, and the people he called his friends.
Perhaps they thought it was normal to watch your brother, or son, or friend, have so many operations on his face that some people said some of the bones in it were in danger of collapsing, and that what you should say, when he came out of hospital from the latest one, was that he definitely looked better than before. Maybe they thought, when they heard he was paying someone nearly £100,000 a month, to give him drugs almost every doctor in the world would say he didn't need, that this sounded like excellent value.
And maybe when they heard another recording of the pop star in court, telling that doctor that he wanted to use the proceeds of the tour he was planning to help sick children, because he himself "didn't have a childhood", they just shrugged and thought "so what?". Maybe they thought that it didn't really matter whether you had a childhood. That a childhood was a small thing to give up to produce the kind of music that the King of Pop produced, and a small price to pay for the fame he had.
It isn't all that easy to know what Michael Jackson's family, friends and fans thought about any of these things, because, when they talk about him, they tend to talk as if he was a god, and not as if he was a human being. His sister, La Toya, said on Monday that "victory was served" because her brother was, though technically dead, "in that court room". She didn't say what, if anything, she'd done when she'd watched her brother being flogged by their father for making mistakes in rehearsals throughout his childhood, and from the start of his singing career at the age of six. Nor did his mother. And nor, of course, did his father, who used, according to his son, to watch his sons rehearsing with a belt in his hand, and often told him that his nose was "too fat".
You'd have thought that sisters, and brothers, and parents, and friends, might think it wasn't usually a good sign when someone built themselves a giant fun fair, and zoo, and named it after a fantasy land in a children's book about a boy who never grows up. And that they might be a little bit worried when their best friends seemed to be pre-pubescent boys and a chimpanzee called Bubbles. But sisters, and brothers, and parents, and friends, didn't seem too worried by any of this, or, if they were, they didn't say so. They seemed to think that nothing could be strange in the life, and lifestyle, of someone who was very, very talented, and very, very successful, and very, very, very rich. They seemed to think that someone who was very talented, and very successful, and very rich should always do exactly what they wanted, even if what they wanted was to wreck their once-handsome face and body with plastic surgery and drugs.
Michael Jackson c alled the drug that killed him "milk". He never stopped seeking the props of the childhood he had lost. Perhaps when he looked at photos, of that brown-skinned boy, with his big nose, big lips, and big smile, he saw a shadow of the person he once was, the person he'd paid doctors to wipe out. Perhaps he remembered a time before his life became a giant freak show.
"Wasn't nothing strange about your daddy," Al Sharpton told Jackson's children at his funeral. That, of course, was a lie, but what he said next was true. "It was strange," he said, "what your daddy had to deal with. But he dealt with it anyway."
Yes, he dealt with it anyway: the parents who cared more about money and fame than that their son had a childhood, the brothers and sisters who were nearly as damaged as him, the people who said they were friends, but who only seemed to want to be sprinkled with his star dust, and the people – so many people – who just wanted his money. And a press poised for every new twist in the crazy carnival his life became. It was Conrad Murray's defence lawyer who reminded jurors that "this is not a reality show, it's reality". Unfortunately, no one in Jackson's sad, strange and shockingly friendless life, seemed to know the difference.
well worth a read!
When the verdict was announced, his sister shrieked. She sent a tweet to her 125,000 followers saying "VICTORY", and ended it with seven exclamation marks. His fans waved their banners praising Jesus, and screamed, and wept, and blew horns. People said, while crying in front of cameras, that there had, at long last, been what their banners had demanded: "Justice for Michael!". His mother agreed. "I feel," she told reporters, "better now."
Everyone seemed to. Everyone – apart, perhaps, from Conrad Murray, and his defence lawyers, and maybe some of the women who claimed to be his girlfriend, and maybe some of the mothers of some of his children – seemed to feel an awful lot better now. They seemed to think that although nothing could bring back the man they claimed to love so much, this was a very, very happy day. They seemed to feel like Michael Jackson's mother, who couldn't wait "to go home and share this day" with his children, and "couldn't hold back tears of joy".
Everyone seemed to think that what had been a tragedy wasn't any more. Because a man who was paid nearly £100,000 a month to give him the kind of drugs you can't just pick up at Boots, had given him an awful lot of the kind of drugs you can't pick up at Boots, and been so careless about it that he'd been chatting on the phone to a cocktail waitress while the man he was meant to be looking after was having a bad reaction to a drug you definitely can't pick up at Boots, had been found guilty of killing him by accident. Or it wasn't as much of a tragedy as it had been, because the person who caused it had been found and would be punished.
Perhaps when these people heard that the most successful pop star in world history, who was not only a brilliant singer, and songwriter, but also did some of the most athletic and original dancing ever done by a rock star, and who cared so much about his appearance that he made improving it into a life's quest, was crippled with arthritis, and nearly blind, and had a toenail fungus so bad that doctors thought his flesh was rotting away, they thought this was a normal thing for a 50-year-old man. Maybe when they heard a recording of his voice, which was so weak and slurred that you could hardly make out the words, but which had sounded pretty good on the albums that almost everyone in the Western world had bought, they thought this was normal, too.
And maybe not a single one of these people wondered what on earth had happened to his family, and the people he called his friends.
Perhaps they thought it was normal to watch your brother, or son, or friend, have so many operations on his face that some people said some of the bones in it were in danger of collapsing, and that what you should say, when he came out of hospital from the latest one, was that he definitely looked better than before. Maybe they thought, when they heard he was paying someone nearly £100,000 a month, to give him drugs almost every doctor in the world would say he didn't need, that this sounded like excellent value.
And maybe when they heard another recording of the pop star in court, telling that doctor that he wanted to use the proceeds of the tour he was planning to help sick children, because he himself "didn't have a childhood", they just shrugged and thought "so what?". Maybe they thought that it didn't really matter whether you had a childhood. That a childhood was a small thing to give up to produce the kind of music that the King of Pop produced, and a small price to pay for the fame he had.
It isn't all that easy to know what Michael Jackson's family, friends and fans thought about any of these things, because, when they talk about him, they tend to talk as if he was a god, and not as if he was a human being. His sister, La Toya, said on Monday that "victory was served" because her brother was, though technically dead, "in that court room". She didn't say what, if anything, she'd done when she'd watched her brother being flogged by their father for making mistakes in rehearsals throughout his childhood, and from the start of his singing career at the age of six. Nor did his mother. And nor, of course, did his father, who used, according to his son, to watch his sons rehearsing with a belt in his hand, and often told him that his nose was "too fat".
You'd have thought that sisters, and brothers, and parents, and friends, might think it wasn't usually a good sign when someone built themselves a giant fun fair, and zoo, and named it after a fantasy land in a children's book about a boy who never grows up. And that they might be a little bit worried when their best friends seemed to be pre-pubescent boys and a chimpanzee called Bubbles. But sisters, and brothers, and parents, and friends, didn't seem too worried by any of this, or, if they were, they didn't say so. They seemed to think that nothing could be strange in the life, and lifestyle, of someone who was very, very talented, and very, very successful, and very, very, very rich. They seemed to think that someone who was very talented, and very successful, and very rich should always do exactly what they wanted, even if what they wanted was to wreck their once-handsome face and body with plastic surgery and drugs.
Michael Jackson c alled the drug that killed him "milk". He never stopped seeking the props of the childhood he had lost. Perhaps when he looked at photos, of that brown-skinned boy, with his big nose, big lips, and big smile, he saw a shadow of the person he once was, the person he'd paid doctors to wipe out. Perhaps he remembered a time before his life became a giant freak show.
"Wasn't nothing strange about your daddy," Al Sharpton told Jackson's children at his funeral. That, of course, was a lie, but what he said next was true. "It was strange," he said, "what your daddy had to deal with. But he dealt with it anyway."
Yes, he dealt with it anyway: the parents who cared more about money and fame than that their son had a childhood, the brothers and sisters who were nearly as damaged as him, the people who said they were friends, but who only seemed to want to be sprinkled with his star dust, and the people – so many people – who just wanted his money. And a press poised for every new twist in the crazy carnival his life became. It was Conrad Murray's defence lawyer who reminded jurors that "this is not a reality show, it's reality". Unfortunately, no one in Jackson's sad, strange and shockingly friendless life, seemed to know the difference.
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09 November 2011, 12:24 PM
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Jackson was one strange dude, pedo? i don't think so. mental issues? definatly, wether they were a result of his upbringing or from birth who knows.
That said murray was definatley neglegent with what he did, he should have said no like michael's origional doctor, however he did what was asked of him for the large sums he was being paid, rather than doing it out of malace.
As far as Michael goes, there is no doubt he was one of the best performers out there or ever will be. I saw some footage of his rehersals and he was doing everything from singing dancing to coreographing (sp) the show.
That said murray was definatley neglegent with what he did, he should have said no like michael's origional doctor, however he did what was asked of him for the large sums he was being paid, rather than doing it out of malace.
As far as Michael goes, there is no doubt he was one of the best performers out there or ever will be. I saw some footage of his rehersals and he was doing everything from singing dancing to coreographing (sp) the show.
09 November 2011, 12:29 PM
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Jackson was one strange dude, pedo? i don't think so. mental issues? definatly, wether they were a result of his upbringing or from birth who knows.
That said murray was definatley neglegent with what he did, he should have said no like michael's origional doctor, however he did what was asked of him for the large sums he was being paid, rather than doing it out of malace.
As far as Michael goes, there is no doubt he was one of the best performers out there or ever will be. I saw some footage of his rehersals and he was doing everything from singing dancing to coreographing (sp) the show.
That said murray was definatley neglegent with what he did, he should have said no like michael's origional doctor, however he did what was asked of him for the large sums he was being paid, rather than doing it out of malace.
As far as Michael goes, there is no doubt he was one of the best performers out there or ever will be. I saw some footage of his rehersals and he was doing everything from singing dancing to coreographing (sp) the show.
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1) Jackson was a very talented but immature guy, sexually screwed up and a weirdo.
2) Murray was an incompetent medic who broke the code of medical ethics.
3) Murray probably won't be in prison for long because the jails are too full (according to one report I heard).
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2) Murray was an incompetent medic who broke the code of medical ethics.
3) Murray probably won't be in prison for long because the jails are too full (according to one report I heard).
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09 November 2011, 12:35 PM
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Don't get me wrong, i think jacko was a more than a few burgers short of a bbq.
Assuming he survives long enough to be released, how many nutty fans are out there that will have it in for him now?
Assuming he survives long enough to be released, how many nutty fans are out there that will have it in for him now?
09 November 2011, 01:25 PM
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jacko was weirdo full stop
whether from his upbringing or naturally,
he was totally ****ed up - but imo not really in a dangerous way to anyone, apart from himself.
and tbh his music was ok, but imo not that fckn good to warrant the mad following/cult status - thats more fcked up americans imo.
whether from his upbringing or naturally,
he was totally ****ed up - but imo not really in a dangerous way to anyone, apart from himself.
and tbh his music was ok, but imo not that fckn good to warrant the mad following/cult status - thats more fcked up americans imo.
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ok - he was a danger to others, but i dont think it was through plotting and malice, just through complete immaturity and stupidness.
i dont think he posed a risk to the general public directly if you get me. anyway he was too far detached from the general public/reality to even interact with.
even for all the money he had, i still would never ever want to live like that.
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Most of the information available was leaked by the prosecution and the media largely portrayed Jackson as guilty.[12] On January 25, 1994, the Chandlers' lawsuit was settled out of court, with $15.3 million to be held in a trust fund for Jordan,[18] $1.5 million for each of his parents[19] and the family's lawyer slated to receive $3 million based on a September 1993 retainer,[20] for a total of $21 million (or according to CNN, $5 million for a total of $23 million).[19] Although the settlement agreement did not prevent the Chandlers from sharing information about the case in a criminal investigation or testifying in criminal trial,[21][22] it did state that they would have to notify Jackson within 5 days if they ever moved to press criminal charges. The settlement effectively silenced the family. When Jordan Chandler refused to testify in criminal proceedings, the state closed its criminal investigation, citing lack of evidence, on September 22, 1994.[23] Jackson's support among the public began to waver, and his public image never recovered.
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