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Old 16 August 2011, 09:04 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...paid-much.html

Just how much food does it take to feed a child nowadays
Old 16 August 2011, 09:17 AM
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FFS , she should be put down along with the rest of her clan. £600 in benefits and she can get £1000/month from her ex on top.
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http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011...***-like-this/
Old 16 August 2011, 09:20 AM
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That is amazing that you can get so much money. And the kids don't seem to get any of it!
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I think birthing licences need to be looked at in this country.
Why the hell she is allowed to keep on knocking these kids out at our expense is rather perplexing.
I suppose it would be a violation of her human rights if she was told not to have anymore kids. By the sounds of it though, she ignores the ones she has now anyway.
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The Daily Mail could do with focusing on people really struggling rather than printing articles like this designed to make people think everyone on benefits is a scrounging fradster.

Stupid paper for stupid people!

On the subject of having kids no one should get paid a bean for having a child. If you can't afford one keep it in your pants!

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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The Daily Mail could do with focusing on people really struggling rather than printing articles like this designed to make people think everyone on benefits is a scrounging fradster.

Stupid paper for stupid people!

On the subject of having kids no one should get paid a bean for having a child. If you can't afford one keep it in your pants!
But what about when contraception fails?
I do agree that people shouldn't expect to be paid for having a child.
But I think a lot of people fail to realise that the children of today are our future, like it or not. If £20 a week helps towards paying for a school trip, or allowing them to participate in extra curricular activities, is that a bad thing?

Believe it or not, we do need to invest in our children.

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sterilised after number 5 imo, why do you want so many kids?
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Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
sterilised after number 5 imo, why do you want so many kids?
I would honestly say that it is form of addiction.
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It is so hard to be PC today. China does it pretty well though.
Old 16 August 2011, 10:26 AM
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These children are our future!

The rioters and looters of tomorrow!
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Hang on !
They would only be our future if they grow up to make a contribution!
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The vast majority do grow up and contribute.
A few thousand out of 14 million children under the age of 18, doesn't paint a true picture does it?
From what I saw on TV, most of rioters were black and from poor areas.
Am I saying that all black children from poor areas are bad and will grow up to be a drain on society? No I am not.
Old 16 August 2011, 11:23 AM
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Are you on thread maybe ?

These people are brought up to believe they should be benefited by the state
Old 16 August 2011, 11:28 AM
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Well done new Labour!

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Originally Posted by Leslie
Well done new Labour!

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Old 16 August 2011, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The Daily Mail could do with focusing on people really struggling rather than printing articles like this designed to make people think everyone on benefits is a scrounging fradster.
Yes but that would be boring wouldn't it

Stupid paper for stupid people!
How do you manage now without your copy of the NOTW

On the subject of having kids no one should get paid a bean for having a child. If you can't afford one keep it in your pants!
Totally agree, it's personal choice whether to have kids or not. Do you have any by the way?

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Old 16 August 2011, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
But what about when contraception fails?
I do agree that people shouldn't expect to be paid for having a child.
But I think a lot of people fail to realise that the children of today are our future, like it or not. If £20 a week helps towards paying for a school trip, or allowing them to participate in extra curricular activities, is that a bad thing?

Believe it or not, we do need to invest in our children.
It's this kind of thinking that's killing Britain and we saw the consequences of it in the riots last week. When the state mollycoddles the people, the people don't turn out to be hard working and responsible, they turn out to expect everything on a plate and to consequently have no respect for the source of their comfort. Pretty much like a spoiled brat has no respect for their parents and what they're given, but on the grander scale of a whole section of society.
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Originally Posted by Chip
How do you manage now without your copy of the NOTW
The Guardian dear boy, The Guardian

Originally Posted by Chip
Totally agree, it's personal choice whether to have kids or not. Do you have any by the way?

Chip
Do I have any.... nope, and never will. Personal choice and all that.
Old 16 August 2011, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The Guardian dear boy, The Guardian
I thought it may have been the Mirror or even The Morning Star



Do I have any.... nope, and never will. Personal choice and all that.
I have two but I stll don't think anyone should in effect be paid to have children .

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Originally Posted by Chip
I thought it may have been the Mirror or even The Morning Star
The Morning Star LOL, used to read that at uni in the 80s.... is it still going?

Originally Posted by Chip
I have two but I stll don't think anyone should in effect be paid to have children .
Agreed, and if I had any my stance would not alter either.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The Morning Star LOL, used to read that at uni in the 80s.... is it still going?
From Wiki:
The Morning Star is a left wing British daily tabloid newspaper with a focus on social and trade union issues.
Oh f&*%, sounds like heart attack material to me.
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
From Wiki:

Oh f&*%, sounds like heart attack material to me.
Well imagine what it was like in the early 80s with a militant Labour Party and an even more militant set of unions pulling its strings ..... you would have had a double coronary
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I bet F1 has got a piccy of Arthur Scargill and Len Murray on his mantlepiece

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Originally Posted by Chip
I bet F1 has got a piccy of Arthur Scargill and Len Murray on his mantlepiece

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A mantelpiece??? Capitalist pig!!!! No one should have a mantelpiece, if they can afford one of them they can afford to give more to the state.
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like the article said though: max cap on benefits will be £26k per annum, that has to include housing and c.tax benefit too.

so £500 a week all in.

some people will be in for a huge shock.
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Let's say you lose 25% to tax and National Insurance. That's bringing home the equivalent of £32.5k a year. That 's what's wrong with the benefit system.

Average wage is £28k and minimum wage is £11.5K based on 37.5 hours a week 52 weeks a year.

So how can someone on benefits earn more than all these other people!?
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Originally Posted by CREWJ
Let's say you lose 25% to tax and National Insurance. That's bringing home the equivalent of £32.5k a year. That 's what's wrong with the benefit system.

Average wage is £28k and minimum wage is £11.5K based on 37.5 hours a week 52 weeks a year.

So how can someone on benefits earn more than all these other people!?
Because the benefit system is a joke. To be fair, it's hardly surprising some people abuse it, when it seems to be so easy (so long as you know how to play it, and have zero pride in yourself) and you live a life of pretty much doing **** all whilst being better off than people who graft all week.

I've said it many times before, the benefits system should be there to help genuinely needy people. Low earners needing a bit asssitance, those who find themselves out of work and need short term help. But the system has given so freely to those who know how to 'work' it, it's just completely out of control now. It's gone so far that it's going to be a mammoth task to make any real changes to get away from this lifestyle choice that it is for some people.

As it stands, it would be against human rights to just stop benefits/put people on the streets, to make people work for the benefits they receive, to sterilise dirty skanks that see children as a pay cheque etc..... And the worst part is, is that these type of people (career scroungers, not people who need to genuinely claim) seem to be the least grateful and have the most disrespect for others, despite being 'kept' people. They claim to be hard done by, NO, hard done by is working your **** off, being shafted every which way, just to keep a roof over your head and have some snippet of quality of life, getting the extra kick in the face that some of that money earned through hard work pays for somebody like the above to have no responsibility or real worries.

I am getting so mad thinking about this, I'm just going to shut up.
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the benefits system is a joke, which is why it will get capped to a max of £26K per household.

in my career I've met people on 4000 grand a month, all benefit: tax free.

now thats wrong.


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