David Lock

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14519187

Well Cameron's "Bring in a Supercop" idea has gone down like the proverbial

So do Britain's top coppers know it all and don't need some "foreigner" to come and offer advice?

Are they just a bunch of stuck in the muds who think they are the bee's knees who couldn't countenance the idea that someone outside the fine traditions of British policing might introduce some new ideas that might make a difference?

dl

Jamz3k

We apparently have one of the best police forces in the world, its pretty useless though when our judical system is complete and utter tosh.

Having another top cop isn't going to change this.

alcazar

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"One of the best police forces in the world"?

Don't make me laugh. Since the eighties, they have been bully boys, enforcers and auxilliary tax-gatherers for whichever government is paying them.
Those at the top blindly follow any political party, hopeful of furthering their career, while those at the bottom KNOW what they have become is wrong, but use the age old, "We are only obeying orders", which cut no ice in 1945 and cuts even less in a new century.

Trust any policeman about as far as you couldthrow him AND his patrol car, and you won't go far wrong. Ask the miners. Ask those kettled. Ask a LOT of motorists.

stilover

+1

Would love us to adopt the US 3 strikes and you're out rule.

f1_fan

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Sorry, but I am with the police on this. If Cameron gave them some of their power back and told the media to stop putting them on media trial they could have been a lot more effective last week.

Bringing in a supercop is not going to change that!

Cameron is desperately trying to make political gain out of a situation he had zero hand in dealing with. he wasn't even here for the first three days and by the time he returned the police had already decided to deploy thousands more police onto the streets and get tougher. That was solely a police decision.

That and the weather stopped the rioting (for now) and Cameron and May had f**k all to do with it.

Watching Cameron, Clegg and Milliband all try and make polictical gain out of this boils my ****!

Chip

Good idea, it can't do much harm to get his view can it?

Chip

Chip

I think both the weather and the fact that the shops were empty played the biggest part rather than anything else the police did.

As for the MPs , I agree they are all trying to make political gain out of the situation.

Chip

TinyTim

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Orde has a good point though, how good can this bloke be if he Polices an area with circa 400 different gangs?

Or do they just hang out in tree houses and not commit crime?

Chip

David Lock

I'd like to see Cameron bring in someone who can halve the paperwork that the police are obliged to do so they can get out and do the job they are supposed to.

The US guy is not coming to run the show but merely to share his experience. This seems to have worked so I think our chaps could have the grace to welcome him and have a chat, lunch at the Lodge perhaps?

dl

ALi-B

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Milliband is saying we need a 'public enquiry' to find out what happened.

Yes yes, waste some more tax payer's money by pay some random Lord/Sir to hold a long drawn out review, state the obvious and then do nothing about it as they have no solution that is feasible due to lack of resources/budget or human rights constraints.


As for the supercop? Why not hear out the views from others? What possible negative aspect can there be from getting advice from those not under the influence of the UK's back-scratching police/political hierarchy?

I for one think our abilities to handle riots have long been overdue for a pragmatic rethink. The warning signs were there....the Ranger's football match riots in Machester 2008 clearly showed they were inefffective three years ago! Recent 'student' (alledged) riots cemeted the fact that something both in protocol and action needs to change urgently.

f1_fan

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Yes, the government need to give the police their powers back! Simple as that!

You can't tie someone's hands behind their back and then get upset when they seem unable to punch.

Cameron is a f**king diot!

Leslie

We need a leader who is strong enough to bin all the excess paperwork that the police have to fill in at the drop of a hat,and give the police to power to take effective action against rioters etc. as well as telling the lefty PC Plonkers to wind their necks in when they start up with their mithering.

They could start by producing the British Bill of Rights that we were promised before the election but which has been sidelined doubtless because of Eu disapproval!

Has "Dave" got the guts to do it I wonder?

Les

f1_fan

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No! There, that clears that up

alcazar

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One word answer: No.

Nor has any other politician in the UK at the moment, all pigs at the trough.

Leslie

Yes I agree,it was meant to be a rhetorical question anyway.

I imagine we can expect more initiatives which come to nothing, and they don't understand the problem.

Having undermined the police's authority with the idea to bring this other chap in, they fondly imagine that we will be impressed!

Les

Jimbob

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Hmmmmmm who tied the polices hands?? Labour.
Who made the laws that the police currently have to adhere to? Labour.
Who created the policies they have to blindly follow? Labour.
Who made the police force in this country a waste of time? Labour.

So to sit on the fence and have a go at Cameron, when he is forced to use the crap Labour created is highly dim witted.

Perhaps the good outcome from the riots and the introduction of a specialist, would be to rip up the rule book, and make a fresh one fit for purpose. Where the savings to the police force are made by sacking the top brass, who do little but get paid lots and waste more.

The Zohan

spot on!

It won't hurt to listen to this American guy and what he has to say.

Jimbob

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Exactly, its listening to "yes men" which Labour loved as they could never be wrong, its by thinking outside the box that we can improve.

Sometimes its only by having an outside opinion can we truly see our shortcomings, and the things that are our strengths.

Perhaps we should ban external verifiers in exams, and also driving test examiners, as surely the instructors/teachers know better??

f1_fan

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FFS he's been in power 15 months, if something is so obviously wrong I would have changed it within my first week of premiership.

Labour/Tories - they are all the same.

The only reason anything will happen now is because the politicians want to make policitcal gain out of the public outcry after the riots.

Oh and btw the initial removal of police powers cam after the poll tax riots.... who was in power then?

ALi-B

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Was Rome built in a day?


Let me go and google* that....just to make sure

Jimbob

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Hmmmm that would be good for the UK law, changed on a whim. Don`t be so daft.

Some of the powers were removed due to the Police being a law unto themselves, and instead of allowing a protest they charged in on horses etc etc their powers were reduced to make them do as their told. But if the Poll Tax had have come in then we`d be paying LESS, the rich paying MORE, and 900000 people living one house would pay per head rather than per house. SO all your little grannies would have MORE money to stay in their PAID FOR house instead of being FORCED to downgrade/move to a nursing home/die due to cold in the winter. WELL DONE LABOUR!!

Its all well and good shouting about how Cameron should do this should do that, where were you lot when Labour was running us down?? Labour faithful weren't shouting they shouldn`t do this and shouldn`t do that then.

Its all well and good spouting drivel, but its Labours total mismanagement of EVERYTHING that has lead to our Deficit, our Politicians being greedy thieves, our society being messed up due to pandering to minorities and being too pc, and our education system being taken over by left wing hippies leaving us lagging behind in world education standard with most people leaving school unable to read or write.

These are the problems that have lead to the riots, after 15 years of chronic mismanagement how Labour can EVER berate the people dealing with LABOUR`S problems is beyond me. They lit the fires, now are walking around like a pretend fire chief. Truely sickening!!

f1_fan

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Ah a lecture on the poll tax through the blue tinted spectacles of someone who probably knows nothing about it. WTF have Labour got to do with it? They weren't capable of organsing a backlash in those days they were in such disarray. I doubt they could have organised a **** up in a brewery to be honest.

The Tories took an absolutely great idea and made an absolute pig's ear of the implementation of it by allowing councils to set their own rates (so everyone did not pay the same) and then insisting they collect it pro rata (impossible to keep up with in major cities due to the movement of people in and out resulting in court sumons rather than bills being issued), in the end the people spoke and they were done for. How to ****** defeat from the jaws of victory in one easy lesson.

Er... I was... I can't stand either party or any politician to be frank!

Well why don't you stop then?

Yes they were bad, very bad, but some of what you complain about started before they even got to power and there was also a rather large GLOBAL financial crisis in which many countries have ended up even worse off than us. The fact remains we are where we are due to 30 years of greed driven career politicians, short termism and the worst financial crisis for 50 years or more. The way you go on if Labour were are only problem why are things even worse now after 15 months of someone else?

No the riots were also driven by cuts, cuts and morre cuts and an underclass that feels there is nothing to lose in looting and rioting and to be fair they have a point. If it was ALL Labour's fault they would have rioted last year or the year before....

You need to take a step back and realise that it doesn't matter which party are in power you are going to get shafted by them. They do not care about YOU, they only care about lining their own pockets and it has been that way since the early 80s at least. They are for the most part f**king idiots, but clever enough to make mugs out of us!

Basically blaming EVERYTHING on the Labour party or vice versa is just a cop out and really only makes you feel better momentarily when in reality things are just as **** as they were before and won't get any better any time soon.

Jimbob

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Then you have found your own answer.

GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS!!

If they aren`t listening to you, MAKE THEM, if they don`t do as they say VOTE THEM OUT. Its apethy in this country that has allowed them to get away with it. As certain segments of society vote, the Old, the Immigrants, and people with things to lose (benefits etc etc).

If people actually got engaged in politics, then they could determine a better outcome. Perhaps if they removed the right to vote people may get up off their *** and do something about it, instead of listening to dilly dally political science graduates (Politics a SCIENCE FFS!!), which does nothing more than teach to avoid the questions and bull$hit your way out of answers.


This was the whole idea of "The Big Society" that we the people get involved and determine what we want our local money spent on, but nooooo leae it to the Council so they can keep their mega wages, and their drivers, their trips around the world and being untouchable.


We need a grass roots up revolution in this country, and not smashing things up, but getting involved and making a change. Giving a to$$ about your neighbour, and your local area, caring about things instead of not giving a $hit. To talk about the big problems we have with an adult approach, to not give into the media spin on crap, and to stand by what we say and if we have to change our opinion to applaud that as long as it is explained and discussed openly. None of which we can effectively do in the UK without some part of the UK having a proverbial cry and spitting their toys out of their prams so we stop as we are too pc.

I for one hate being TOLD what to do by a nanny government, which dictates everything you like what labour tried to do.

Jimbob

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And surely a government which searches everywhere for answers to problems (as well as listening to within), is better than one that makes up a quick fix for here and now as Labour did.

ScoobyWon't

It's quite simple - more response and beat bobbies, less ranked officers. The Inspectors and above are only in for furthering their careers and stabbing anyone in the back, who gets in their way.

You can't trust anyone with pips or higher in the police.

Saying that, you can't trust a politician either.

When I went to New York in February there was always a cop in view, sometimes two on every corner. Listen to this super cop, what have we got to lose?

f1_fan

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Now you are talking sense, broadly agree with all of that. I was involved in politics for a long time, but have become very disillusioned with the way politics has become a careeer rather than a vocation.

I think the Big Society actually has potential, but Cameron needs to have the courage of his convictions and make it something more than just rhetoric. I think he got a wake up call last week and maybe the positive thing to come out of this will be a real effort to get people from all walks of life, classes, creeds etc. involved. The jury is out, but right now he has a chance... the question is will he seize it.... the cynic in me says not, but I would love to be proved wrong!

Jimbob

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It needs us the general public to make it ours, to take the initiative and to push what WE want. Then he can open the doors that are closed, to light the way we want to take, to help with finances. There is only so much a politician can do, we are the majority, we should make the country ours again. Not being afraid to go onto the streets, being community spirited and looking after elderly neighbours, about making it socially unacceptable to allow your children to create havoc. Where hard work and dedication is rewarded, over talentless cretins who do anything to be on TV.

Its something the MEDIA has had a major hand in, and should be FORCED to change.

The education system needs to be changed from a "one size fits all", to one tailored for needs, and imho to go back to grammar schools and technical colleges. Then there can be groups of people with roughly the same abilities together and doing something worthwhile.

This is why I`m fundamentally against Labour as they have systematically taken our country apart and tried to super-glue it together and it hasn`t worked, and I for one would want us to go back to what works, and not what would work in a perfect world on paper in a hippies head!!