garage advice - is it true!?
20 July 2011, 12:23 PM
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garage advice - is it true!?
Just taken one of our company cars to have the tyres checked & knowing it needed at least 2 (the rears) front 2 were about 2.5mm to go.
Any how, garage spoke to the contract company who said, yep put on it what is needed (just the 2
) & i asked for the new ones to go on the front so he said......
"we advise new tyres to go on the rear, if you put new tyres on the front you are too confident in corners & will be more likely to loose the back end & have a crash. That is what all tyre manufactures are saying & michellin started it years ago"
so i said thanks but no thanks, please put the new ones on the front.
he aslo said this to about 3 other customers after me
I always thought that fwd car had the majority of its load/traction/braking at the front? hence it would be better to have new to the front.?
Also thought to myself, is it a case of the worn tyres on the front will then wear quicker so they will get it in sooner for them to be changed?
any one else been 'advised' this? is it true!?
Any how, garage spoke to the contract company who said, yep put on it what is needed (just the 2
) & i asked for the new ones to go on the front so he said......"we advise new tyres to go on the rear, if you put new tyres on the front you are too confident in corners & will be more likely to loose the back end & have a crash. That is what all tyre manufactures are saying & michellin started it years ago"
so i said thanks but no thanks, please put the new ones on the front.
he aslo said this to about 3 other customers after me
I always thought that fwd car had the majority of its load/traction/braking at the front? hence it would be better to have new to the front.?
Also thought to myself, is it a case of the worn tyres on the front will then wear quicker so they will get it in sooner for them to be changed?
any one else been 'advised' this? is it true!?
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20 July 2011, 12:24 PM
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New tyres should always go on the back mate.
You can control the front, you cant control the back
(Well you can if you know what you are doing of course, but not many people can)
You can control the front, you cant control the back
(Well you can if you know what you are doing of course, but not many people can)
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Bullsh*t designed to get additional sales. If the rears are legal and at the right pressures they will perform just fine. as long as you are not mixing different tyres n the same axles then all will be fine
New tyres are better off on the front IMHO with less chance of the front aquaplaning. I would rather have new rubber on the front every day of the week.
New tyres are better off on the front IMHO with less chance of the front aquaplaning. I would rather have new rubber on the front every day of the week.
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Bullsh*t designed to get additional sales. If the rears are legal and at the right pressures they will perform just fine. as long as you are not mixing different tyres n the same axles then all will be fine
New tyres are better off on the front IMHO with less chance of the front aquaplaning. I would rather have new rubber on the front every day of the week.
New tyres are better off on the front IMHO with less chance of the front aquaplaning. I would rather have new rubber on the front every day of the week.
20 July 2011, 12:29 PM
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Definitely makes a difference on FWD rally cars. I can't see that it would so much on a road car though, unless the rears were pretty close to needing changing too 
20 July 2011, 12:46 PM
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He's technically correct, your best tyres should always be on the back, but as said above, on a road car driven normally it is unlikely to make much real world difference.
20 July 2011, 12:56 PM
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colin mcrae did testing for michelin to test all this,indeed to the rear of a front wheel drive
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yeah michelin started this many years ago when i was just starting my trade
reason being
in rain its easier to control understeer than over steer
and vast majority of drivers have had some kind of understeer experience and know how to correct it
the vast majority havent had over steer experiences
each to there own
reason being
in rain its easier to control understeer than over steer
and vast majority of drivers have had some kind of understeer experience and know how to correct it
the vast majority havent had over steer experiences
each to there own
20 July 2011, 05:38 PM
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I always put the new one's on the front, right up to the time when I crashed because of that. Summer's day, brief rain shower, went round a corner, snap oversteer (no chance to correct it as I wasn't prepared for it) and backwards into the verge.
Learnt my lesson the hard way.
New tyres on the rear people!!
Learnt my lesson the hard way.
New tyres on the rear people!!
20 July 2011, 08:19 PM
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We are all assuming that tyres get 'less grippy' as they age ..... the opposite is true in the dry and in the wet it may be marginal.
Tyres are so good these days that I consider them new until they need replacing at 2.5mm ..... so, to put 'new' tyres in a particualr place is pointless IMO as they wear at the same rate (so reflect a new tyre throughout their life).
If that makes any sense?
Tyres are so good these days that I consider them new until they need replacing at 2.5mm ..... so, to put 'new' tyres in a particualr place is pointless IMO as they wear at the same rate (so reflect a new tyre throughout their life).
If that makes any sense?
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20 July 2011, 10:59 PM
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We are all assuming that tyres get 'less grippy' as they age ..... the opposite is true in the dry and in the wet it may be marginal.
Tyres are so good these days that I consider them new until they need replacing at 2.5mm ..... so, to put 'new' tyres in a particualr place is pointless IMO as they wear at the same rate (so reflect a new tyre throughout their life).
If that makes any sense?
Tyres are so good these days that I consider them new until they need replacing at 2.5mm ..... so, to put 'new' tyres in a particualr place is pointless IMO as they wear at the same rate (so reflect a new tyre throughout their life).
If that makes any sense?
Tyres do get less grippy with age Pete, especially if they've been through a cold spell (winter for example), the rubber hardens, and the tread blocks lose their edge.
20 July 2011, 11:25 PM
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There's a legal limit for tread depth for a reason, and I think up to that limit there must be sufficient grip performance from the tyre to consider it to be safe. Therefore, I would replace the tyres on the axle they are on when they need it. There's a big difference between an "ideal" situation and an everyday acceptable motoring situation. If you were intending to do a damp track day it would be sensible to put the tyres with the best tread on the rears - otherwise, just replace them when they're worn and stop being **** about it.
20 July 2011, 11:30 PM
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By that, I suppose you mean where most traction is needed on the majority of cars? Being able to stop or control the car safely is more important than being able to make the car go, from the point of view of your own and other road users' safety. But providing you're complying with the law, then you're ok.