'Hacker' Ryan Cleary could be extradited to US to face court over CIA computer attack
22 June 2011, 01:39 PM
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'Hacker' Ryan Cleary could be extradited to US to face court over CIA computer attack
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...r-attacks.html
What do people think of this? I heard his lawyer? on TV the other day saying it was unfair; "he's stressed", "The US gives really harsh sentences" blah blah etc etc.
Apparently he's got ADHD, so it's unfair also?!
Plus you have the usual anti-americianists exploiting this. Would they be moaning if it was an extradition to France?
What do people think of this? I heard his lawyer? on TV the other day saying it was unfair; "he's stressed", "The US gives really harsh sentences" blah blah etc etc.
Apparently he's got ADHD, so it's unfair also?!
Plus you have the usual anti-americianists exploiting this. Would they be moaning if it was an extradition to France?
22 June 2011, 01:48 PM
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Welcome to the world of blurred boundaries.
I think you would expect to be tried where you committed the crime. Murder someone in France, expect to be tried in France. If the effects of your crime are mostly felt in the US then get ready to be tried there.
However, that does seem harsh on the defendant, who is of course innocent until found guilty, that they have to move away from home, don't know the legal system, may get less enthusiastic representation etc.
Who pays for the witnesses to attend? The family don't look as if they have much money.
I think you would expect to be tried where you committed the crime. Murder someone in France, expect to be tried in France. If the effects of your crime are mostly felt in the US then get ready to be tried there.
However, that does seem harsh on the defendant, who is of course innocent until found guilty, that they have to move away from home, don't know the legal system, may get less enthusiastic representation etc.
Who pays for the witnesses to attend? The family don't look as if they have much money.
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Welcome to the world of blurred boundaries.
I think you would expect to be tried where you committed the crime. Murder someone in France, expect to be tried in France. If the effects of your crime are mostly felt in the US then get ready to be tried there.
However, that does seem harsh on the defendant, who is of course innocent until found guilty, that they have to move away from home, don't know the legal system, may get less enthusiastic representation etc.
Who pays for the witnesses to attend? The family don't look as if they have much money.
I think you would expect to be tried where you committed the crime. Murder someone in France, expect to be tried in France. If the effects of your crime are mostly felt in the US then get ready to be tried there.
However, that does seem harsh on the defendant, who is of course innocent until found guilty, that they have to move away from home, don't know the legal system, may get less enthusiastic representation etc.
Who pays for the witnesses to attend? The family don't look as if they have much money.
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It's just any excuse really.
Does being an Aspy mean you have diminished responsibility? I hope not as that would be absurd, and I am sure most Aspies would agree they are not nutters who have no idea what they are doing (insane).
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22 June 2011, 02:26 PM
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Come on. A 19 year old computer geek with social issues rips through CIA and FBI firewalls? They are embarressed and want payback. Nothing more.
22 June 2011, 02:33 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...r-attacks.html
What do people think of this? I heard his lawyer? on TV the other day saying it was unfair; "he's stressed", "The US gives really harsh sentences" blah blah etc etc.
Apparently he's got ADHD, so it's unfair also?!
Plus you have the usual anti-americianists exploiting this. Would they be moaning if it was an extradition to France?
What do people think of this? I heard his lawyer? on TV the other day saying it was unfair; "he's stressed", "The US gives really harsh sentences" blah blah etc etc.
Apparently he's got ADHD, so it's unfair also?!
Plus you have the usual anti-americianists exploiting this. Would they be moaning if it was an extradition to France?
The CIA need to get their house in order, particularly as they spend so much time attempting to hack into everybody else's PC's.
Hey you guys over there, give the man a job! he's better at it than you are.
22 June 2011, 02:34 PM
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Haha..
how very true, they are just pissed because he turned down their job offer and wanted to stay in his bedroom watching ****, hacking other important agencies whilst his mum supplied him with ritalin and a jam toasty on the hour ever hour......Poor guy, i tell you he has played too much World Of Warcarft for my liking..! He had two computers as well, i wonder if they were Windows or Mac???
22 June 2011, 03:03 PM
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Being able to access the entire World from your bedroom is an entirely new phenomenon, and one that hasn't been fully grasped yet. Instead of having to prove yourself out there by being trendy, or good looking, or appealing to the usual populist papp, actually having a brain is plenty enough. The whole thing is entirely cerebral.
Maybe it's time to give the underdog some credit and respect.
Geeks ruling the Planet indeed.
Maybe it's time to give the underdog some credit and respect.
Geeks ruling the Planet indeed.
22 June 2011, 03:51 PM
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Being able to access the entire World from your bedroom is an entirely new phenomenon, and one that hasn't been fully grasped yet. Instead of having to prove yourself out there by being trendy, or good looking, or appealing to the usual populist papp, actually having a brain is plenty enough. The whole thing is entirely cerebral.
Maybe it's time to give the underdog some credit and respect.
Geeks ruling the Planet indeed.
Maybe it's time to give the underdog some credit and respect.
Geeks ruling the Planet indeed.
Would you say white collar crime is good? It's all done from a desk after all?
Would you be so understanding if your personal details had been hacked or your money stolen from your bank account by a hacker?
22 June 2011, 03:56 PM
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I'd say part of the problem is the differences in the legal systems, and the fact that it isn't a level playing field. Try extraditing someone from the States, and you'd soon see.
The CIA need to get their house in order, particularly as they spend so much time attempting to hack into everybody else's PC's.
Hey you guys over there, give the man a job! he's better at it than you are.
The CIA need to get their house in order, particularly as they spend so much time attempting to hack into everybody else's PC's.
Hey you guys over there, give the man a job! he's better at it than you are.
Would you be saying that if it was a possible child murderer/rapist being extradited?
22 June 2011, 04:14 PM
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Ryan has inadvertently done them a favour by highlighting the lapses in their security. Fortunately for them it wasn't some Islamist terrorists (boom tish
) doing the hacking. Give the lad a medal.
22 June 2011, 04:21 PM
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if he gets extradited i'd be surprised if he actually faces any charges, the CIA or NSA will use him if he is as good at his trade as the media is portraying. It wont be long before wars are fought at a keyboard instead of using tanks and guns. That might sound a little far fetched i know but check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0pi4J8auQ
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I can understand the viewpoint of someone who has been otherwise shunned by society, yes.
22 June 2011, 07:05 PM
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Some multi-national has a problem? who cares?
22 June 2011, 07:06 PM
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22 June 2011, 07:12 PM
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My point is that no thought has been given to those who may have an agenda other than mere crime. If you're going to have these systems operating for the benefit of security services there are going to be those who just like testing them.
I can understand the viewpoint of someone who has been otherwise shunned by society, yes.
I can understand the viewpoint of someone who has been otherwise shunned by society, yes.
You could also view just being in those systems as a trespass, or a breaking and entering. If you trespass onto a military base for example you may be liable to prosecution.
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If an Autistic person beat you up would you say it was your own fault for not being able to handle an Autistic assaulter?
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"Ryan Cleary is not part of LulzSec; we house one of our many legitimate chatrooms on his IRC server, but that's it," LulzSec tweeted. "Clearly the UK police are so desperate to catch us that they've gone and arrested someone who is, at best, mildly associated with us. Lame."
turns out he is not a hacker at all !
turns out he is not a hacker at all !