Dam Busters dog renamed for movie remake
11 June 2011, 06:38 AM
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Dam Busters dog renamed for movie remake
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-13727908
The Dam Busters' dog will be renamed for a new version of the classic war movie, it has emerged.
Stephen Fry, who is writing the film's screenplay, said there was "no question in America that you could ever have a dog called the N-word".
In the remake, the dog will be called "Digger" instead of "******".
The black Labrador was the mascot for RAF 617 squadron, which during World War II destroyed dams in Germany with Barnes Wallis's famous bouncing bomb.
Owned by the squadron's wing commander, Guy Gibson, the animal was run over and killed during the planning of the Dambuster raids, and was buried at RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire - from where the operation was launched.
Stephen Fry told BBC Radio 5 Live: "It's no good saying that it is the Latin word for black or that it didn't have the meaning that it does now - you just can't go back, which is unfortunate.
it is being done to keep the Americans happy (or so it seems) and to sell it to the USofA!?*!?
Funny how American rappers can call each other "*****" all they want. The Americans can make Historical series like Roots including the word '******' and it is fine and a blockbuster yet a British film set in the second world war has to be changed - more to do with the PC lefties in this country imposing their pathetic ideals and censoring things they see as a problem but not an issue to anyone else but them - god help us as they are taking over in this country. I am surprised Stephen Fry has gone along with this - he has gone down in my estimations and i would have though him of all people would have understood the English language and all of it's connotations and contexts!
A bad day for common sense and the British!
The Dam Busters' dog will be renamed for a new version of the classic war movie, it has emerged.
Stephen Fry, who is writing the film's screenplay, said there was "no question in America that you could ever have a dog called the N-word".
In the remake, the dog will be called "Digger" instead of "******".
The black Labrador was the mascot for RAF 617 squadron, which during World War II destroyed dams in Germany with Barnes Wallis's famous bouncing bomb.
Owned by the squadron's wing commander, Guy Gibson, the animal was run over and killed during the planning of the Dambuster raids, and was buried at RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire - from where the operation was launched.
Stephen Fry told BBC Radio 5 Live: "It's no good saying that it is the Latin word for black or that it didn't have the meaning that it does now - you just can't go back, which is unfortunate.
it is being done to keep the Americans happy (or so it seems) and to sell it to the USofA!?*!?
Funny how American rappers can call each other "*****" all they want. The Americans can make Historical series like Roots including the word '******' and it is fine and a blockbuster yet a British film set in the second world war has to be changed - more to do with the PC lefties in this country imposing their pathetic ideals and censoring things they see as a problem but not an issue to anyone else but them - god help us as they are taking over in this country. I am surprised Stephen Fry has gone along with this - he has gone down in my estimations and i would have though him of all people would have understood the English language and all of it's connotations and contexts!
A bad day for common sense and the British!
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11 June 2011, 07:09 AM
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Why cant they accept the facts?, That was his name,
Seems daft, we go all pc, yet listen to 90% of gangsta rap today and the N word is being used, as frequently by the singers as we would use a vowel.
If the word is that offensive and causes so much trouble, you would have thought they were the very people who would not want to use the word.??
What next, the plot of the film being changed, not to breach the dams to damage the armaments production, but to help poor Mr Hitler get much needed water to the fields below??.
No doublkt the liberals will be along in a minute, preacing about the connotations and the angst behind the word / associated with it. Of which i'm well aware.
We have many other words / actions associated to things from history that now are deemed wrong or offensive, but rather than wrap them in an artificial taboo / pc stance, we accept what was done is / was wrong and move on.
TBH what do they think would happen if the word was left in? woould there be a mass culture shift overnight? the world would regress 60 odd years?
let sleeping dogs lie
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Seems daft, we go all pc, yet listen to 90% of gangsta rap today and the N word is being used, as frequently by the singers as we would use a vowel.
If the word is that offensive and causes so much trouble, you would have thought they were the very people who would not want to use the word.??
What next, the plot of the film being changed, not to breach the dams to damage the armaments production, but to help poor Mr Hitler get much needed water to the fields below??.
No doublkt the liberals will be along in a minute, preacing about the connotations and the angst behind the word / associated with it. Of which i'm well aware.
We have many other words / actions associated to things from history that now are deemed wrong or offensive, but rather than wrap them in an artificial taboo / pc stance, we accept what was done is / was wrong and move on.
TBH what do they think would happen if the word was left in? woould there be a mass culture shift overnight? the world would regress 60 odd years?
let sleeping dogs lie
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11 June 2011, 07:33 AM
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probably change the film and make it that really the americans did the raid on the dams really and that the british were in support god bless america wot a load of crap stick to the historical facts what if they made a remake of ZULU cannot be seen to killing anyone of ethnic origins.
11 June 2011, 07:38 AM
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How politically correct let's just change the pages of history all together and instead of Lancaster bombers doing the raid shall we change it to b52 bombers with American crews .o wait didn't they do that in enigma ,where the Americans and not the British captured the inigma code machine.
Niggar was the dogs name niggar was the code word for the dams to break and that's how it should stay .put a disclaimer up if they don't want to offend
Niggar was the dogs name niggar was the code word for the dams to break and that's how it should stay .put a disclaimer up if they don't want to offend
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11 June 2011, 07:44 AM
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lots of this about. read and article recently about a teacher who was suspended for using the word niggardly.
see this Wikipedia entry.
it also lists the "water buffalo" incident. if Tolkien can use it and not be called a racist, it's ok with me. it's all in the context folks.
see this Wikipedia entry.
it also lists the "water buffalo" incident. if Tolkien can use it and not be called a racist, it's ok with me. it's all in the context folks.
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11 June 2011, 08:06 AM
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I certainly agree that the N word is used by the people described, so what’s the problem with other people using it, seems to be what people are sayingn
But to me It is one of ownership and in the case of th N word being used by "Gansta's" shows more of a cultural identity etc
For instance, you might think your mum is a **** sucking **** with a rancid smelling cvnt – but when you hear a random guy down the pub, or your best friend refer to her in the same terms – it is somehow different
personaly I would not use it
and I agree the niggardly incident was pathetic btw -- totaly different word
But to me It is one of ownership and in the case of th N word being used by "Gansta's" shows more of a cultural identity etc
For instance, you might think your mum is a **** sucking **** with a rancid smelling cvnt – but when you hear a random guy down the pub, or your best friend refer to her in the same terms – it is somehow different
personaly I would not use it
and I agree the niggardly incident was pathetic btw -- totaly different word
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11 June 2011, 08:38 AM
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apologies if i did not make that clear
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11 June 2011, 09:48 AM
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It's history.It's what was happening at the time.If you don't want to know what happened at the time don't re-create the factsIt's like the famous photo of Isambard Brunnel with his large top hat & cigar.They wanted to removed the cigar from the picture as smoking is not now PC.My opinion is that the dog was more likely named from the Latin.I don't think posh English RAF types in 1940's would use that N word as it is used today.Not to say they were not racist & had plenty of derogatory racist words.It was differnt world then with different values that would be totally un-aceptable today but it was what happened.
What if you made a film about slavery & white people in the film called the slaves diggers?
What if you made a film about slavery & white people in the film called the slaves diggers?
11 June 2011, 10:56 AM
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They could quite easily put an announcement at the beginning of the film to explain calling the dog by his correct name ******, and say it is part of history and that no offence is implied by using his name accurately.
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11 June 2011, 11:21 AM
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FFS it makes no difference whether the dog is called Digger or ******, I can see why the film makers want to avoid that one, wouldn't bother me either way but surely the film is about the Dam Busting not what the dog is called, the dog was named back then as part of the casual and all encompassing racism that happened, ****** brand Tobacco, ****** brown cloth and ****** toes liquorice, because the dog was black it got called ******, I would imagine then there werent that many black people to offend but I would expect even then shouting ****** at the top of your voice in the park to get your dog back would be embarrassing if there were any black people about.
Black people can use it as they like, if they want to call each other ***** and propagate a stereotype then thats up to them but most black people I have met really dont call each other *****.
Anyway, got to go and feed Paki the Cat
Black people can use it as they like, if they want to call each other ***** and propagate a stereotype then thats up to them but most black people I have met really dont call each other *****.
Anyway, got to go and feed Paki the Cat
11 June 2011, 11:36 AM
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FFS it makes no difference whether the dog is called Digger or ******, I can see why the film makers want to avoid that one, wouldn't bother me either way but surely the film is about the Dam Busting not what the dog is called, the dog was named back then as part of the casual and all encompassing racism that happened, ****** brand Tobacco, ****** brown cloth and ****** toes liquorice, because the dog was black it got called ******, I would imagine then there werent that many black people to offend but I would expect even then shouting ****** at the top of your voice in the park to get your dog back would be embarrassing if there were any black people about.
Black people can use it as they like, if they want to call each other ***** and propagate a stereotype then thats up to them but most black people I have met really dont call each other *****.
Anyway, got to go and feed Paki the Cat
Black people can use it as they like, if they want to call each other ***** and propagate a stereotype then thats up to them but most black people I have met really dont call each other *****.
Anyway, got to go and feed Paki the Cat
Jacko, you know you will be forced to change the cat's name to Patty, don't you!
11 June 2011, 12:10 PM
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Totally pathetic! What we know now to be offensive doesn't change history. No one in their right mind would name their dog that today but it was the name of the dog, their mascot and the code word for mission success.
Will they want to change his grave too?
Will they want to change his grave too?
11 June 2011, 12:24 PM
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My mother mentioned this to me this morning as she knew Guy Gibson when she lived a few doors away from him. She said he Guy would be turning in his grave if he knew what they were doing.
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11 June 2011, 01:02 PM
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I would agree that it would be a good solution to just post something up at the start of the film, but I I guess that would not be enough for the lefties.
As it is, when the original film is repeated on television all references to ****** are cut. So, it may actually be better to misname the dog and at least get some references to his existence into the film.
I was very disappointed when I watched the original film with this part cut out. The death of ****** is a very poignant moment in the film, now dropped to the cutting room floor
As it is, when the original film is repeated on television all references to ****** are cut. So, it may actually be better to misname the dog and at least get some references to his existence into the film.
I was very disappointed when I watched the original film with this part cut out. The death of ****** is a very poignant moment in the film, now dropped to the cutting room floor
11 June 2011, 01:41 PM
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