View Poll Results: Who has 'right of way' ?
6 o'clock can pull out
10
45.45%
3 o'clock can proceed at 30mph
12
54.55%
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20 May 2011, 01:45 PM
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Right of Way question:
What are your thoughts about this scenario:
A minor road joins a more major road at a T-junction, both are single carriageway 30mph limit. At the junction is a mini-roundabout.
Say the 'major' road is from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock, the minor road joins at 6 o'clock.
If you are turning right from the minor road and a vehicle is approaching from the right at 30mph, but some distance away, certainly not near the give way for joining the roundabout, can you pull out, or must you treat the major road as a T-junction as if the roundabout wasn't there?
The Highway Code says "When reaching the roundabout you should •give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights" Is that limited to vehicles already on the roundabout?
The reason I ask is that I had a difference of opinion with a Police Officer about the right of way. I won't tell you which position I was in.
So in the poll: 6 o'clock = the vehicle can pull out so long as the 9 o'clock car is not actually on the roundabout, he (9) should slow and anticipate the hazard.
9 o'clock means the 9 o'clock car can proceed through the roundabout at 30mph as he has right of way.
A minor road joins a more major road at a T-junction, both are single carriageway 30mph limit. At the junction is a mini-roundabout.
Say the 'major' road is from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock, the minor road joins at 6 o'clock.
If you are turning right from the minor road and a vehicle is approaching from the right at 30mph, but some distance away, certainly not near the give way for joining the roundabout, can you pull out, or must you treat the major road as a T-junction as if the roundabout wasn't there?
The Highway Code says "When reaching the roundabout you should •give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights" Is that limited to vehicles already on the roundabout?
The reason I ask is that I had a difference of opinion with a Police Officer about the right of way. I won't tell you which position I was in.
So in the poll: 6 o'clock = the vehicle can pull out so long as the 9 o'clock car is not actually on the roundabout, he (9) should slow and anticipate the hazard.
9 o'clock means the 9 o'clock car can proceed through the roundabout at 30mph as he has right of way.
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20 May 2011, 02:07 PM
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I may be wrong but i think you haven't expressed this correctly....
20 May 2011, 02:25 PM
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He means 3 o'clock not 9 o'clock, but the diagram would be overkill and if you can't visualise the setup then i'm afraid you are too simple to have a license in the first place to be qualified to hazard a guess to the answer 
20 May 2011, 02:26 PM
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If you are turning right from the minor road and a vehicle is approaching from the right at 30mph, but some distance away, certainly not near the give way for joining the roundabout, can you pull out, or must you treat the major road as a T-junction as if the roundabout wasn't there?
If it's from the right you give way whether it's a round-about or a T junction, but if it's from the left you have right of way at a round-about, but must give way at a T junction.
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20 May 2011, 02:28 PM
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I wasn't just thinking of myself, but anyway a diagram is a much more efficient way to communicate all this than several paragraphs.
20 May 2011, 02:32 PM
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Regardless of his incohesive description it is either a T junction or a roundabout. T junction- then the main carriageway naturally has the right of way, Roundabout you give way to traffic from the right...this isn't rocket science is it? 
20 May 2011, 02:35 PM
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20 May 2011, 02:36 PM
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You always give way to the right at a round about, and give way to all traffic at a T junction. Treat it according to the type of road is it.
Obviously it's your own discretion if you feel you could 'beat' a car when pulling out. But surely it's not too difficult??
All this 3 o clock, 9 o clock rubbish it's just confusing.
Obviously it's your own discretion if you feel you could 'beat' a car when pulling out. But surely it's not too difficult??
All this 3 o clock, 9 o clock rubbish it's just confusing.
20 May 2011, 02:38 PM
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LOL! Just voted on the poll (3 o'clock can carry on, 6 o'clock shouldn't pull out as i will cause 3 o'clock to change direction or speed, can't remember which part of hte highway code this is in). Split of opinion on this 50/50!
20 May 2011, 02:39 PM
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A roundabout has its rules as you quoted and if the car coming from the right (3 o clock) is not virtually at or on the roundabout, the man from 6 0 clock can proceed without inconveniencing the approaching car from his right.
If the car from the right is on or nearly on the roundabout then he has right of way as on any roundabout.
Les
If the car from the right is on or nearly on the roundabout then he has right of way as on any roundabout.
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20 May 2011, 02:41 PM
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I say give way to the main road, unless you can get out and round the roundabout before he gets to you, if you cause him to slow down then you didnt give way to the right did you ?
20 May 2011, 02:49 PM
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From the drawing it would suggest its your right of way as the police car isnt at the island *if* you can get onto the island before he arrives, He should be slowing down approaching a potential hazard, even if the island is clear it should never be taken at 30mph as its failure to read the road and be proepared, he should be aware of this especially if certified as a police driver and able to use sirens/lights.
20 May 2011, 02:50 PM
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If your pulling out would cause the car coming towards you to slow down or swerve etc then you should not pull out, pretty simple really. So its a matter of judgement of just how far away the car is from you, same as pulling out of any junction as not matter wether you treat it as a roundabout or a T junction the car approaching from your right has right of way and should not have to brake etc and if you cause them to do this then its your fault. It doesnt matter wether the car is on the roundabout or not, it has to be far enough away to not have to brake etc.
20 May 2011, 02:50 PM
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AFAIK you give way to cars to the right "on the roundabout" the size of the road is irrelevant.
Roundabouts are treated as a hazard, if you decided to do a 360 degree turn and go back the way you came you have right of way and if he was approaching at 30 MPH then that puts him in the wrong
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Roundabouts are treated as a hazard, if you decided to do a 360 degree turn and go back the way you came you have right of way and if he was approaching at 30 MPH then that puts him in the wrong
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20 May 2011, 02:57 PM
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Looking at the drawing, which seems to explain it well, I would still expect to give way to traffic approaching from the right, especially as neither car is actually on the island, I would give it priority.
20 May 2011, 03:23 PM
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Going 6 o'clock to 3 o'clock gives way to the 3 o'clock to the 9 o'clock unless 3 o'clock goes to 6 o'clock then 6 o'clock can go either 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock. If, however, 9 o'clock is to go t 3 o'clock then 9 o'clock stops at 9 o'clock so that 6 o'clock and go to 3 o'clock otherwise 9 o'clock can go to 3 o'clock while 6 o'clock goes 9 o'clock.
Hope thats clear.
Hope thats clear.
20 May 2011, 03:27 PM
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Going 6 o'clock to 3 o'clock gives way to the 3 o'clock to the 9 o'clock unless 3 o'clock goes to 6 o'clock then 6 o'clock can go either 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock. If, however, 9 o'clock is to go t 3 o'clock then 9 o'clock stops at 9 o'clock so that 6 o'clock and go to 3 o'clock otherwise 9 o'clock can go to 3 o'clock while 6 o'clock goes 9 o'clock.
Hope thats clear.
Hope thats clear.
20 May 2011, 03:37 PM
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If your pulling out would cause the car coming towards you to slow down or swerve etc then you should not pull out, pretty simple really. So its a matter of judgement of just how far away the car is from you, same as pulling out of any junction as not matter wether you treat it as a roundabout or a T junction the car approaching from your right has right of way and should not have to brake etc and if you cause them to do this then its your fault. It doesnt matter wether the car is on the roundabout or not, it has to be far enough away to not have to brake etc.
