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Old 12 May 2011, 10:25 AM
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Old 12 May 2011, 10:32 AM
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You really do have to wonder don't you. I'm pretty sure politics has to be at play here. Someone must have wanted rid of him. You don't sack an award wining station manager for preventing an accident unless you really just don't like him

Oh, and loss of his pension too, lovely reward.
Old 12 May 2011, 10:39 AM
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You know something else i found out at the weekend.

A large home furniture outfit close to me is not allowed to change bulbs in bedside/table lamps.

When a bulb blows, they've got to call in an outside firm to change the bulb
Old 12 May 2011, 10:40 AM
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the worlds gone mad , though surely this statement should clear him



"South West Trains says staff are banned from going onto the line unless it is an emergency or they are trying to prevent a disaster."

definate unfair dismissal,

oh lets seee ill leave it there and let it possibly cause a major incident then get the sack for not doing anything about it
Old 12 May 2011, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Luminous
You really do have to wonder don't you. I'm pretty sure politics has to be at play here. Someone must have wanted rid of him. You don't sack an award wining station manager for preventing an accident unless you really just don't like him

Oh, and loss of his pension too, lovely reward.
Why do you lose your pension if you get sacked. Surely its his money that he paid into the scheme.

Chip
Old 12 May 2011, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
You know something else i found out at the weekend.

A large home furniture outfit close to me is not allowed to change bulbs in bedside/table lamps.

When a bulb blows, they've got to call in an outside firm to change the bulb
We're not allowed to change the fluorescent light bulbs in the staff areas, but we are only allowed to call someone out when 8 are not working.

However, they expect a member of staff to re-arrange the lighting canopy on the shopfloor, and change those bulbs when necessary.
Old 12 May 2011, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobygreg
the worlds gone mad , though surely this statement should clear him



"South West Trains says staff are banned from going onto the line unless it is an emergency or they are trying to prevent a disaster."

definate unfair dismissal,

oh lets seee ill leave it there and let it possibly cause a major incident then get the sack for not doing anything about it
That is what I thought was a bit odd.

Seems like he couldn't have done right here. It does seem like they wanted rid of him, or his employers are just complete idiots.

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Old 12 May 2011, 11:06 AM
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Sounds like someone in management didn't like him or something, just needed an excuse?

He sounds like a bit of an eccentric, maybe difficult to manage?
Old 12 May 2011, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
You know something else i found out at the weekend.

A large home furniture outfit close to me is not allowed to change bulbs in bedside/table lamps.

When a bulb blows, they've got to call in an outside firm to change the bulb
There is no legal reason why they can't change a bulb just that the company has decided it can't trust their staff to do this!

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Old 12 May 2011, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
We're not allowed to change the fluorescent light bulbs in the staff areas, but we are only allowed to call someone out when 8 are not working.

However, they expect a member of staff to re-arrange the lighting canopy on the shopfloor, and change those bulbs when necessary.
I can understand any fluorescent bulbs

But a normal bulb in a bedside/table display lamp?
Old 12 May 2011, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
I can understand any fluorescent bulbs

But a normal bulb in a bedside/table display lamp?
Why?

So far as I have seen you merely knock the starter off, change bulb, turn back on. I would stand corrected though. And we already have set proceedures in place for the safe disposal of such bulbs.
Old 12 May 2011, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by urban
You know something else i found out at the weekend.

A large home furniture outfit close to me is not allowed to change bulbs in bedside/table lamps.

When a bulb blows, they've got to call in an outside firm to change the bulb
the staff must be really thick! lol
Old 12 May 2011, 12:26 PM
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I would like to see the whole story here ..... I bet the bloke is a right pain in the rear-end to manage!!

I have a couple at the moment that I would sack with the drop of a shopping trolley!
Old 12 May 2011, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
Why?
Solely because you might have to climb to get at it in the first place
Originally Posted by SamUK
the staff must be really thick! lol
But they're not, the guy I dealt with appeared intelligent enough
He was able to write, use the computer system efficiently and spoke normally as opposed to how a thick person speaks.

We just happened to be speaking about something else which involved H&S, then he bought up the light bulb nonsense.
Old 12 May 2011, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by urban
Solely because you might have to climb to get at it in the first place
The lighting canopy requires staff to go way higher up the ladders than any of the tubes do. So long as ladders are used to change the tubes, I can't really see their point tbh.
Old 12 May 2011, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I would like to see the whole story here ..... I bet the bloke is a right pain in the rear-end to manage!!

I have a couple at the moment that I would sack with the drop of a shopping trolley!
This MAY be true, but even so, employers should follow the correct channels to get rid. Providing all of the story reported is true, he appears to have a good case for unfair dismissal.
Old 12 May 2011, 12:55 PM
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what complete tosh, he got the power turned off and warned the signal box he was going on the track, so they were full aware,

"I considered it an emergency and therefore phoned the signal box in Brockenhurst and asked them to turn off the power so I could retrieve the trolley.'

sounds like a perfect employee from how hes described. But the usual, wonder what else there is to it that and what were not being told
Old 12 May 2011, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
The lighting canopy requires staff to go way higher up the ladders than any of the tubes do. So long as ladders are used to change the tubes, I can't really see their point tbh.
OK, I can't see their point either then
Old 12 May 2011, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Why do you lose your pension if you get sacked. Surely its his money that he paid into the scheme.

Chip
If you get sacked for gross misconduct I believe you lose your employment related pension. I'm not sure if you also lose the contributions you have made, or just your employer's contributions. Whichever, it certainly is a painful punishment.
Old 12 May 2011, 05:26 PM
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Definately a fit-up! As if the area manager goes through all the cctv footage & just happens to find that incident.
Old 12 May 2011, 05:48 PM
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we had a h@s inspector come to work on monday . passed as a branch . but where told the milk in fridge must only be used by staff and not supplied to customers or visitors incase they are ill ,(what a joke ) company could be liable if they took ill ,strangly the bloke took offence when i said nice car as we where standing outside having a smoke , but as a health n safety person ime supprised at your choice of tyres , he said what do you mean , i replied 2xmaxxis on the front 1xnankang on passengerside rear and 1 goodyear on drivers side rear not bad 1out of four the other 3 i wouldnt put on a KIDS PEDAL CAR
Old 12 May 2011, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
what complete tosh, he got the power turned off and warned the signal box he was going on the track, so they were full aware,

"I considered it an emergency and therefore phoned the signal box in Brockenhurst and asked them to turn off the power so I could retrieve the trolley.'

sounds like a perfect employee from how hes described. But the usual, wonder what else there is to it that and what were not being told

According to the bosses, when they reviewed the CCTV, the power hadn't been turned off, so he endangered himself.... quite how they can if the power was turned off from cctv is one for discussion..

lets hope they have to eat humble pie

Mart
Old 13 May 2011, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I would like to see the whole story here ..... I bet the bloke is a right pain in the rear-end to manage!!

I have a couple at the moment that I would sack with the drop of a shopping trolley!
Would you say then that it is fair to manufacture such a reason to sack him with all the attendant disaster for him when according to the public he has done such a good job of running the station for the public's benefit?

What would they have said if he had left the trolley so that the train ran over it and was derailed causing massive destruction and loss of life? Since you support his dismissal what would your own reply would have been should such a disaster have happened?

Or would you have admitted how far your head was up your own ****?

Les
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I can tell you the whole story hasn't been told here.

I deal with this exact same issue very often. (From the signalbox)
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Originally Posted by mart360
According to the bosses, when they reviewed the CCTV, the power hadn't been turned off, so he endangered himself.... quite how they can if the power was turned off from cctv is one for discussion..

lets hope they have to eat humble pie

Mart
Perhaps the same bosses are scrutinizing the CCTV to find the ****** that dumped the cart on the line in the first place, but somehow I doubt it.
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The changing light bulbs thing is more about the lack of training these days, if you haven't done the course then you shouldn't touch it...

LoL

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P.S. I'm that (over) qualified bulb swapper...
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There appears to be a lot more to this story than is reported, some of the details that seem to be coming out:

This phone call to signaller may not have taken place,
This trolley may have been an imaginary one,
He may have gone on to the line just to carry out a litter pick,
He may not have even been on duty at the time or at the station he was rostered to that day.......etc .

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The needs of the many, far outweigh the needs of the few

One man (possibly! risked his life) to save a train full of people, should he of left the trolley a train full of people may of been injured or maimed!

I would of happily put my life at risk to save more than one life or someone younger than myself
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Originally Posted by scottydog137
The needs of the many, far outweigh the needs of the few

One man (possibly! risked his life) to save a train full of people, should he of left the trolley a train full of people may of been injured or maimed!

I would of happily put my life at risk to save more than one life or someone younger than myself

Read my previous post, there may not have even been a trolley!
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Originally Posted by Bugatti
There appears to be a lot more to this story than is reported, some of the details that seem to be coming out:

This phone call to signaller may not have taken place,
This trolley may have been an imaginary one,
He may have gone on to the line just to carry out a litter pick,
He may not have even been on duty at the time or at the station he was rostered to that day.......etc .

I very highy doubt, given his position woud you risk everything for anything less than a shopping trolley?

Also i believe there was a higher power that wanted him gone


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