View Poll Results: If you were voting which option would you go for?
Vote against prisoners being given the vote
40
90.91%
Vote for prisoners being given the vote
1
2.27%
Vote for prisoners getting the vote but with resrtictions
3
6.82%
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Ok so it's vote day for MP's on voting for prisoners.
10 February 2011, 10:22 AM
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Apparently if this is passed there will be an opportunity for prisoners who qualify and missed out on the last vote to claim compensation - We really will end up the laughing stock of Europe - if we are not already!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12409426
But former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott said the debate was part of a plot by "some Tory right wingers who want to get rid of the Human Rights Act" and he urged MPs not to support the motion, telling them: "Don't go down that road".
Lord Prescott, who reportedly clashed with Mr Straw on the issue at a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party earlier this week, said that the former justice secretary was the only Labour MP to sign what was essentially a "Tory motion".
The Labour peer, who sits on the Council of Europe's Parliamentary Assembly which elects ECHR judges, told Today: "As a sovereign Parliament, we signed up for this human rights change - nobody disagreed with it at all - that says we observe the obligations of the convention.
"If we in fact feel there is a disagreement, it lays out that the dispute will be decided by the judge at the European court."
Hundreds of prisoners have instigated claims for being denied the right to vote and the government is facing potential compensation bills of more than £100m.
'Lord Prescott' - the fat, ignorant, loud-mouthed, cheating, two-faced **** should keep his mouth shut and stick to car insurance ad's
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12409426
But former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott said the debate was part of a plot by "some Tory right wingers who want to get rid of the Human Rights Act" and he urged MPs not to support the motion, telling them: "Don't go down that road".
Lord Prescott, who reportedly clashed with Mr Straw on the issue at a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party earlier this week, said that the former justice secretary was the only Labour MP to sign what was essentially a "Tory motion".
The Labour peer, who sits on the Council of Europe's Parliamentary Assembly which elects ECHR judges, told Today: "As a sovereign Parliament, we signed up for this human rights change - nobody disagreed with it at all - that says we observe the obligations of the convention.
"If we in fact feel there is a disagreement, it lays out that the dispute will be decided by the judge at the European court."
Hundreds of prisoners have instigated claims for being denied the right to vote and the government is facing potential compensation bills of more than £100m.
'Lord Prescott' - the fat, ignorant, loud-mouthed, cheating, two-faced **** should keep his mouth shut and stick to car insurance ad's
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10 February 2011, 10:34 AM
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I agree with you sentiments entirely Paul. I may have it wrong but I thought that if the bill against their right to vote was passed that the prisoners would then be able to sue the Govt. under the Eu Human Rights Act.
It is time that the Govt. fullfilled its pre-election election promise to bin that act and set up a British Bill of Rights so that we can say what goes in this country of ours. They have conveniently forgotten too many of their pre-election promises, notably the plebiscite on the Lisbon Treaty for a start which is only a short step away from effective federalisation!
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It is time that the Govt. fullfilled its pre-election election promise to bin that act and set up a British Bill of Rights so that we can say what goes in this country of ours. They have conveniently forgotten too many of their pre-election promises, notably the plebiscite on the Lisbon Treaty for a start which is only a short step away from effective federalisation!
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10 February 2011, 11:01 AM
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David Davies was on Sky earlier saying that a) he thought Parliament would vote against by about 100 votes) and b) it was only a possibility that the ECHR would recommend compensation. If they did, Parliament could pass primary legislation to say 'no'. It'll be interesting to see how the vote really goes today. And also which MPs actually bother to turn up to vote. I'll be making sure mine turns up and will ask why if she doesn't!
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10 February 2011, 11:07 AM
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I'd like to see UK out of Europe but, tbh, I couldn't care one way or the other if prisoners have the right to vote or not. I'd get the votes in and just sling them in the bin when no one is looking 
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Personally I would probably go for allow with restrictions.
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
10 February 2011, 11:10 AM
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Personally I would probably go for allow with restrictions.
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
10 February 2011, 11:25 AM
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I don't ever hear prisoners say how much they miss their vote....how unfair etc, etc.
I'm guessing, and it is just a guess, most don't discuss politics at all.
I'm guessing, and it is just a guess, most don't discuss politics at all.
10 February 2011, 11:42 AM
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10 February 2011, 11:47 AM
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Personally I would probably go for allow with restrictions.
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
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10 February 2011, 11:51 AM
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But I would not let prisoners who have been convicted of crimes against the state vote.
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10 February 2011, 01:32 PM
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Personally I would probably go for allow with restrictions.
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
Don't forget that in modern Britain not everyone in clink is a nasty viscious criminal. I do not see how you can lump the people sent to prison for protecting their property or non payment of poll tax etc in the same boat as career criminals.
There are lots of people in Britains prisons for momentary acts of insanity or lack of concentration so should they be denied the right to vote for a government that might sort out the country and put real crims in jail rather than the guy who forgot to pay his TV licence!!
Whilst I'm against prisoners getting the vote, the sort of prisoner who is there because they didn't pay the license fee or the OAP that couldn't afford their council tax ar the sort that shouldn't be denied the right. For this reason I voted for giving them the right to vote but with restrictions.
10 February 2011, 01:38 PM
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Prison is supposed to be a punishment by removal of liberty. Whether those liberties are the right to wander freely about this land, to watch Sky TV, to use a mobile phone, to have sex with a partner(s) of your choice, they have removed those privileges themselves by their own actions, and have no right to complain IMHO.
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Whilst I'm against prisoners getting the vote, the sort of prisoner who is there because they didn't pay the license fee or the OAP that couldn't afford their council tax ar the sort that shouldn't be denied the right. For this reason I voted for giving them the right to vote but with restrictions.
If you're in prison you're there because you've been found guilty of a criminal offence. Whether you agree that that offence should be a "crime" is a completely separate matter and should not even be part of this debate. As far as I'm concerned, you're in prison, tough!
Anyhow, these people saying 'if you're in for less than 12 months (or whatever period) then you can vote' misses the fact that, in this case, you're unlikely to actually miss an election of any sort anyway.
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10 February 2011, 02:04 PM
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Actually here ... http://synonblog.dailymail.co.uk/201...an-rights.html ... the truth about what a farce this whole charade is. More "pulling the Euro woll over our eyes" by our elected politicians to further their own ends!
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10 February 2011, 10:25 PM
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So, the votes are in: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...risoner_Voting ...
"... A total of 234 MPs voted to stop prisoners getting a vote, with just 22 voting for the move. .... "
Hmmm. What happened to the other 400 MPs????? On a matter such as this, which would be a "constitutional" issue if the UK had one, they couldn't be bothered to turn out and vote???? And they wonder why they are held in contempt.
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"... A total of 234 MPs voted to stop prisoners getting a vote, with just 22 voting for the move. .... "
Hmmm. What happened to the other 400 MPs????? On a matter such as this, which would be a "constitutional" issue if the UK had one, they couldn't be bothered to turn out and vote???? And they wonder why they are held in contempt.
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10 February 2011, 10:42 PM
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Having looked in to this a bit more.
I'd sooner they have the vote, than the government have to pay out 100s of millions in compensation!
I'd sooner they have the vote, than the government have to pay out 100s of millions in compensation!
10 February 2011, 10:56 PM
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Prison is supposed to be a punishment by removal of liberty. Whether those liberties are the right to wander freely about this land, to watch Sky TV, to use a mobile phone, to have sex with a partner(s) of your choice, they have removed those privileges themselves by their own actions, and have no right to complain IMHO.
Anyway, this is an easy one - they can "bugger" off!
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So, the votes are in: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...risoner_Voting ...
"... A total of 234 MPs voted to stop prisoners getting a vote, with just 22 voting for the move. .... "
Hmmm. What happened to the other 400 MPs????? On a matter such as this, which would be a "constitutional" issue if the UK had one, they couldn't be bothered to turn out and vote???? And they wonder why they are held in contempt.
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"... A total of 234 MPs voted to stop prisoners getting a vote, with just 22 voting for the move. .... "
Hmmm. What happened to the other 400 MPs????? On a matter such as this, which would be a "constitutional" issue if the UK had one, they couldn't be bothered to turn out and vote???? And they wonder why they are held in contempt.
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11 February 2011, 02:48 PM
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