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05 February 2011, 01:57 PM
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UK Border Force.
Just been watching UK Border Force. What a joke!
They catch illegal immigrants but as they cant deport them back to there country of origin there and then they let them go but they have to report back BUT oh they have disappeared never to bee seen again.
WTF is it with this soft sh!tty country we live in. You catch them you keep bloody hold of them. Makes my blood boil.
Yet when you watch the Australian Border Force they take no **** and if there is any doubt they pack you back off from where you came from.
They catch illegal immigrants but as they cant deport them back to there country of origin there and then they let them go but they have to report back BUT oh they have disappeared never to bee seen again.
WTF is it with this soft sh!tty country we live in. You catch them you keep bloody hold of them. Makes my blood boil.
Yet when you watch the Australian Border Force they take no **** and if there is any doubt they pack you back off from where you came from.
05 February 2011, 02:21 PM
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Just been watching UK Border Force. What a joke!
They catch illegal immigrants but as they cant deport them back to there country of origin there and then they let them go but they have to report back BUT oh they have disappeared never to bee seen again.
WTF is it with this soft sh!tty country we live in. You catch them you keep bloody hold of them. Makes my blood boil.
Yet when you watch the Australian Border Force they take no **** and if there is any doubt they pack you back off from where you came from.
They catch illegal immigrants but as they cant deport them back to there country of origin there and then they let them go but they have to report back BUT oh they have disappeared never to bee seen again.
WTF is it with this soft sh!tty country we live in. You catch them you keep bloody hold of them. Makes my blood boil.
Yet when you watch the Australian Border Force they take no **** and if there is any doubt they pack you back off from where you came from.
05 February 2011, 02:52 PM
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The whole human rights thing is a seriously double-edge sword and it's being abused. There are some cases where it's doing the right thing, but for the most part, the people protecting it should be sent back.
A boat load of Sri Lankan's turned up in Canada a short while ago and alas they could not turn them back, so they are being looked after and will be given assistance to find jobs, housing, etc, all at tax payers expense. Meanwhile, you have people who want to legitimately enter Canada to work and live, and they have to jump through a lot of complicated hoops to get here, they don't get given it on a silver platter.
Ah, but Sri Lanka is a war torn nasty place, so human rights dictate we have to be nice to them. Hmm, so how come a lot of the Sri Lankan people in Toronto are going back home for a holiday if it's so bad? Some even go back to the same cities, towns and villages that the boat people came from. Oh, they've got to be the rich ones, nope, just your normal people.
I have to say the Aussie's have the right idea when it comes to immigration, you don't get in if we don't want you to. Oh the bleeding hearts when ships of people are baking in the sun off the coast. Sorry, tough, want in, use the legal route. Harsh, but fair I think.
A boat load of Sri Lankan's turned up in Canada a short while ago and alas they could not turn them back, so they are being looked after and will be given assistance to find jobs, housing, etc, all at tax payers expense. Meanwhile, you have people who want to legitimately enter Canada to work and live, and they have to jump through a lot of complicated hoops to get here, they don't get given it on a silver platter.
Ah, but Sri Lanka is a war torn nasty place, so human rights dictate we have to be nice to them. Hmm, so how come a lot of the Sri Lankan people in Toronto are going back home for a holiday if it's so bad? Some even go back to the same cities, towns and villages that the boat people came from. Oh, they've got to be the rich ones, nope, just your normal people.
I have to say the Aussie's have the right idea when it comes to immigration, you don't get in if we don't want you to. Oh the bleeding hearts when ships of people are baking in the sun off the coast. Sorry, tough, want in, use the legal route. Harsh, but fair I think.
05 February 2011, 03:38 PM
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But that would mean spending government money on something useful .....
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05 February 2011, 04:43 PM
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I suspect its eu bollocks , believe me they can be pretty bloody nasty to somebody with a refugee passport whos not towed the line to the letter going / coming from uk .
In fact , and i can believe it , theyre trained to be rude/ aggressive
In fact , and i can believe it , theyre trained to be rude/ aggressive
05 February 2011, 05:14 PM
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The asylum thing always gets to me too. First county you enter outside of your own and you manage to get to the UK, an island and thus not landlocked prior to any other country. We all know it is because the UK is seen and is a soft touch
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05 February 2011, 06:17 PM
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Couldnt agree more Markus. I dont understand when they catch someone who is all ready an illegal immigrant who is all ready in this country that they cant hold them till they can get them on the next flight or boat out of hear.
Same when someone is trying to get into our country why we give them enough time to appeal against it quicker than we can send them back.
How ever they got in whether its by boat, plain or train or lorry it should be those companys that should be made to pay a huge fine like Dave said and I mean a HUGE fine.
Same when someone is trying to get into our country why we give them enough time to appeal against it quicker than we can send them back.
How ever they got in whether its by boat, plain or train or lorry it should be those companys that should be made to pay a huge fine like Dave said and I mean a HUGE fine.
05 February 2011, 07:03 PM
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06 February 2011, 10:42 PM
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Really? Obviously not enough then .... 
The other thing the "border force" should do is search EVERY vehicle that lands in the UK via ferry. Every car, lorry, van etc. It would cause chaos but it would also ensure that the ferry companies would put more security on the start of the trip to make sure no-one was carrying "illegals". Keep that up for a few months and you could then relax the regime somewhat but put it back into place at random intervals to make sure no-one took their eye off the ball!
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The other thing the "border force" should do is search EVERY vehicle that lands in the UK via ferry. Every car, lorry, van etc. It would cause chaos but it would also ensure that the ferry companies would put more security on the start of the trip to make sure no-one was carrying "illegals". Keep that up for a few months and you could then relax the regime somewhat but put it back into place at random intervals to make sure no-one took their eye off the ball!
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06 February 2011, 10:51 PM
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I'm pretty sure that's not the case. The only fine system ithat I'm aware of is the £2k ones imposed on truck drivers if they're found with illegals in the back, which was introduced by nu-labour 5 or 10 years ago. I've never heard of fines for ferry operators or anyone else.
The only thing I can't remember is if the £2k fines are per truck or per illegal.
The only thing I can't remember is if the £2k fines are per truck or per illegal.
07 February 2011, 07:02 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's not the case. The only fine system ithat I'm aware of is the £2k ones imposed on truck drivers if they're found with illegals in the back, which was introduced by nu-labour 5 or 10 years ago. I've never heard of fines for ferry operators or anyone else.
The only thing I can't remember is if the £2k fines are per truck or per illegal.
The only thing I can't remember is if the £2k fines are per truck or per illegal.
Ferry companies have a legal duty to ensure that all passengers are properly documented upon arrival in the UK and can also be fined if they fail to comply.
15 February 2011, 07:23 PM
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Just been watching UK Border Force. What a joke!
They catch illegal immigrants but as they cant deport them back to there country of origin there and then they let them go but they have to report back BUT oh they have disappeared never to bee seen again.
WTF is it with this soft sh!tty country we live in. You catch them you keep bloody hold of them. Makes my blood boil.
Yet when you watch the Australian Border Force they take no **** and if there is any doubt they pack you back off from where you came from.
They catch illegal immigrants but as they cant deport them back to there country of origin there and then they let them go but they have to report back BUT oh they have disappeared never to bee seen again.
WTF is it with this soft sh!tty country we live in. You catch them you keep bloody hold of them. Makes my blood boil.
Yet when you watch the Australian Border Force they take no **** and if there is any doubt they pack you back off from where you came from.
'Illegal immigrants' are individuals who have made no representation to the UK government upon their arrival and are therefore illegal immigrants. For further reference its important to have these terms defined.
In these cases, the reason an individual would not apply for asylum is that they have no means of supporting/proving their claim. They also never carry (or do not own) documentation establishing their nationality and identity.
It is therefore very difficult to deport individuals as which country would accept them?
Can't quite see what the problem here is with most of the b"ggers they catch. I mean most of them are caught after coming in from France or Holland (say) on a ferry. So, as "asylum" seekers have to seek asylum in the first safe country they come to just ship them back on the next ferry and fine the ferry company for every one caught. Same with planes. Check the documents of, and fingerprint, every non-Brit coming into the UK as they get off the plane, rather than after mingling with thousands of others, then you know where they've come from.
But that would mean spending government money on something useful .....
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But that would mean spending government money on something useful .....
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Every documented passenger is checked entering the country and those that have no adequate identification or attempt to use deception to gain entry are refused.
Travel and freight companies are held vicariously liable and are subject to penalties if found to be carrying clandestines.
15 February 2011, 07:31 PM
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Really? Obviously not enough then ....
The other thing the "border force" should do is search EVERY vehicle that lands in the UK via ferry. Every car, lorry, van etc. It would cause chaos but it would also ensure that the ferry companies would put more security on the start of the trip to make sure no-one was carrying "illegals". Keep that up for a few months and you could then relax the regime somewhat but put it back into place at random intervals to make sure no-one took their eye off the ball!
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The other thing the "border force" should do is search EVERY vehicle that lands in the UK via ferry. Every car, lorry, van etc. It would cause chaos but it would also ensure that the ferry companies would put more security on the start of the trip to make sure no-one was carrying "illegals". Keep that up for a few months and you could then relax the regime somewhat but put it back into place at random intervals to make sure no-one took their eye off the ball!
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Its not ferry companies that are accountable; the freight transport companies are responsible for ensuring their trailers are adequately protected.
I'm pretty sure that's not the case. The only fine system ithat I'm aware of is the £2k ones imposed on truck drivers if they're found with illegals in the back, which was introduced by nu-labour 5 or 10 years ago. I've never heard of fines for ferry operators or anyone else.
The only thing I can't remember is if the £2k fines are per truck or per illegal.
The only thing I can't remember is if the £2k fines are per truck or per illegal.
Civil penalties can be imposed on lorry drivers (or the company), with a maximum amount of £2000 for each clandestine.
Ferry companies have a legal duty to ensure that all passengers are properly documented upon arrival in the UK and can also be fined if they fail to comply.
Ferry companies have a legal duty to ensure that all passengers are properly documented upon arrival in the UK and can also be fined if they fail to comply.
In addition if the government changed many of its policies including the 'benefits' situation, then it would be less lucrative for people to come here illegally. However because so many people have family members already settled here, it is no longer just a financial motivation........
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15 February 2011, 11:01 PM
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19 February 2011, 08:15 AM
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19 February 2011, 09:20 AM
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Why? Because it would cause big queues? That's the idea. The ferry/freight companies would then make sure that there was no way they could sneak illegals in. As I said in the first post, search everything to start, then cut right back but with random 'search everything' days.
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To make a statement like the one above you cannot be aware of just how much traffic travels to and enters the UK on a daily basis. As for your 'search everything and cut back' solution, this would be great if the asylum seekers would be kind enough to only try and evade the controls on the days you are 'searching everything.'
The only solution to the illegal immigration problem is, as I have said in previous posts, a massive review and overhaul of the benefits system and perhaps more stringent requirements to be granted asylum thus making it less lucrative for people to come here but again, as I have said in previous posts, people will still try as many have established family members here.
19 February 2011, 09:25 AM
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I have heard stories of the French PAF tossing tear gas into the backs of lorries to remove stubborn clandestines but they are French and can do pretty much what they want
19 February 2011, 09:31 AM
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There were enough warnings about the bad side of the ECHR before we were a part of it but Billy Liar signed up to it nevertheless. Yet another way of getting "feet under the table" with the rest of the plonkers in charge.
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19 February 2011, 09:58 AM
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Huge queues would be the by-product if it were possible. The government is axing jobs left, right and centre and reducing our budget significantly meaning some shifts are often run with 'skeleton crews.' There are physically not enough staff to search every freight and passenger vehicle entering the country. ....
.... The only solution to the illegal immigration problem is, as I have said in previous posts, a massive review and overhaul of the benefits system and perhaps more stringent requirements to be granted asylum thus making it less lucrative for people to come here but again, as I have said in previous posts, people will still try as many have established family members here.
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They didn't make it? Shame .....
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"We loaded water, food and all their other things -- except the confiscated weapons, boarding ladders and navigation tools -- into the pirates' boat," he said. ..."
They didn't make it? Shame .....
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19 February 2011, 10:06 AM
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[quote=hutton_d;9890166]This is where you're not thinking outside of what is happening now. Obviously to do what I suggest needs manpower, but if it was put into operation it implies that the authorities have had a change of "emphasis" and would ensure the manpower was available.
It's a no brainer that if there were sufficient staff to search every vehicle then illegal immigration would be reduced to the point of eradication. This however, is a governmental budget issue and not a failure on behalf of the United Kingdom Border Agency.
It's a no brainer that if there were sufficient staff to search every vehicle then illegal immigration would be reduced to the point of eradication. This however, is a governmental budget issue and not a failure on behalf of the United Kingdom Border Agency.