Nine charged with conspiracy after UK terrorism raids
27 December 2010, 07:17 AM
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Nine charged with conspiracy after UK terrorism raids
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12081828
We get a lot of these headlines and I tend to read over them with little more than a glance but in reality this could have been another tube bombing or worse.
I guess we owe some thanks to the continuing work our police and security services do.
We get a lot of these headlines and I tend to read over them with little more than a glance but in reality this could have been another tube bombing or worse.
I guess we owe some thanks to the continuing work our police and security services do.
The men charged from Cardiff are Gurukanth Desai, 28, of Albert Street; Omar Sharif Latif, 26, of Neville Street, and Abdul Malik Miah, 24, of Ninian Park Road.
Those charged from London are Mohammed Moksudur Rahman Chowdhury, 20, of Stanliff House, Tower Hamlets, and Shah Mohammed Lutfar Rahman, 28, of St Bernard's Road, Newham.
The four charged from Stoke-on-Trent are Nazam Hussain, 25, of Grove Street; Usman Khan, 19, of Persia Walk; Mohibur Rahman, 26, of North Road, and Abul Bosher Mohammed Shahjahan, 26, of Burmarsh Walk.
Those charged from London are Mohammed Moksudur Rahman Chowdhury, 20, of Stanliff House, Tower Hamlets, and Shah Mohammed Lutfar Rahman, 28, of St Bernard's Road, Newham.
The four charged from Stoke-on-Trent are Nazam Hussain, 25, of Grove Street; Usman Khan, 19, of Persia Walk; Mohibur Rahman, 26, of North Road, and Abul Bosher Mohammed Shahjahan, 26, of Burmarsh Walk.
27 December 2010, 07:53 AM
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Agreed a little thanks often goes a long way.
On the subject of terrorists
Oh and the source not the Daily Wail either - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...an-afghanistan
British-based men of Afghan origin are spending months at a time in Afghanistan fighting Nato forces before returning to the UK, the Guardian has learned. They also send money to the Taliban.
A Taliban fighter in Dhani-Ghorri in northern Afghanistan last month told the Guardian he lived most of the time in east London, but came to Afghanistan for three months of the year for combat.
"I work as a minicab driver," said the man, who has the rank of a mid-level Taliban commander. "I make good money there [in the UK], you know. But these people are my friends and my family and it's my duty to come to fight the jihad with them."
"There are many people like me in London," he added. "We collect money for the jihad all year and come and fight if we can."
They should e rounding up these scumbags and shooting them against a wall!
On the subject of terrorists
Oh and the source not the Daily Wail either - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...an-afghanistan
British-based men of Afghan origin are spending months at a time in Afghanistan fighting Nato forces before returning to the UK, the Guardian has learned. They also send money to the Taliban.
A Taliban fighter in Dhani-Ghorri in northern Afghanistan last month told the Guardian he lived most of the time in east London, but came to Afghanistan for three months of the year for combat.
"I work as a minicab driver," said the man, who has the rank of a mid-level Taliban commander. "I make good money there [in the UK], you know. But these people are my friends and my family and it's my duty to come to fight the jihad with them."
"There are many people like me in London," he added. "We collect money for the jihad all year and come and fight if we can."
They should e rounding up these scumbags and shooting them against a wall!
27 December 2010, 10:14 AM
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Invading Afghanistan was such a good idea 
A war we can't win and an excuse for the disaffected to go and fight for the jihad.
If we weren't there they'd have no quarrel.
A war we can't win and an excuse for the disaffected to go and fight for the jihad.
If we weren't there they'd have no quarrel.
27 December 2010, 10:27 AM
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I really don't think it is all down to the war, I think they are a bit restricted and under pressure to conform and be a "Good Muslim", some rebel and do their own thing, some just get on with it but these seem to resent everything and anyone and get involved in a naughty little boys network, they get together and convince each other it would be a good idea to blow something up, I think they get too involved in the planning and covert nature of it and forget what its about, they are basically kids and to be honest I don't think guys of that age, unless very intelligent have the knowledge to really understand what they are doing and why, they are the Islamic equivalent of those in our own culture that say they hate "Pakis" but have no idea why, they just don't understand each other.
27 December 2010, 11:46 AM
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Many of these Jihadists and Islamists advocate the universal imposition of Islamic law.
The quarrel is there unless we adopt Islam as a system of law and government.
27 December 2010, 12:16 PM
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They would find another reason, they aren't even Afghans ffs, just their "Muslim Brothers", strange thing is, the minute there is a turf dispute out there they blow the **** out of each other, they blow different sects of Muslims up and having known some of the double dealing and general financial mayhem that surrounds a few Muslim people I know they do seem to be capable of selling out their brothers (or sisters) for a few quid.
I really don't think it is all down to the war, I think they are a bit restricted and under pressure to conform and be a "Good Muslim", some rebel and do their own thing, some just get on with it but these seem to resent everything and anyone and get involved in a naughty little boys network, they get together and convince each other it would be a good idea to blow something up, I think they get too involved in the planning and covert nature of it and forget what its about, they are basically kids and to be honest I don't think guys of that age, unless very intelligent have the knowledge to really understand what they are doing and why, they are the Islamic equivalent of those in our own culture that say they hate "Pakis" but have no idea why, they just don't understand each other.
I really don't think it is all down to the war, I think they are a bit restricted and under pressure to conform and be a "Good Muslim", some rebel and do their own thing, some just get on with it but these seem to resent everything and anyone and get involved in a naughty little boys network, they get together and convince each other it would be a good idea to blow something up, I think they get too involved in the planning and covert nature of it and forget what its about, they are basically kids and to be honest I don't think guys of that age, unless very intelligent have the knowledge to really understand what they are doing and why, they are the Islamic equivalent of those in our own culture that say they hate "Pakis" but have no idea why, they just don't understand each other.
I'm struggling to argue with your reasoning there Jacko. Rebels without a clue. Thankfully they were apprehended in good time.
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27 December 2010, 12:22 PM
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You pretty much said it all, Afgans, Iraqi's etc., they are poorly educated which makes it even easier for them to be manipulated,brainwashed etc (Hitler brainwashed a fairly intelligent society a few years back,thats how easy it is to be manipulated) . By those in charge,an it isn't the fault of religion either.So when the "liberal" haters suggest "bombing them back to the stone age",you know that your listening to some un-educated (probably), brainwashed, terrorist wannabe.
27 December 2010, 12:26 PM
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Zip, Just a thought, but perhaps if nine Islamic fundamentalists hadn't been arrested for plotting to blow us up whilst we go about our lives then there wouldn't be a thread, perhaps if the security forces hadn't been on the ball we may be discussing a major loss of life, imagine an huge explosion in a busy shopping centre during the sales ?
I agree that there may be an element of trying to force their way of life onto us, I think its maybe because they are duty bound to follow it, whether they want to or not in a lot of cases, they don't like seeing us having fun, I think the whole thing is steeped in jealousy and feeling alienated.
I agree that there may be an element of trying to force their way of life onto us, I think its maybe because they are duty bound to follow it, whether they want to or not in a lot of cases, they don't like seeing us having fun, I think the whole thing is steeped in jealousy and feeling alienated.
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Zip, Just a thought, but perhaps if nine Islamic fundamentalists hadn't been arrested for plotting to blow us up whilst we go about our lives then there wouldn't be a thread, perhaps if the security forces hadn't been on the ball we may be discussing a major loss of life, imagine an huge explosion in a busy shopping centre during the sales ?
I agree that there may be an element of trying to force their way of life onto us, I think its maybe because they are duty bound to follow it, whether they want to or not in a lot of cases, they don't like seeing us having fun, I think the whole thing is steeped in jealousy and feeling alienated.
I agree that there may be an element of trying to force their way of life onto us, I think its maybe because they are duty bound to follow it, whether they want to or not in a lot of cases, they don't like seeing us having fun, I think the whole thing is steeped in jealousy and feeling alienated.
I don't think they are jealous etc, I think they are very weak minded and easily led by the nose by someone much higher up in their small world, who is egging them on to destroy all around them.
They are to be pitied, to be honest
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Zip, Just a thought, but perhaps if nine Islamic fundamentalists hadn't been arrested for plotting to blow us up whilst we go about our lives then there wouldn't be a thread, perhaps if the security forces hadn't been on the ball we may be discussing a major loss of life, imagine an huge explosion in a busy shopping centre during the sales ?
I agree that there may be an element of trying to force their way of life onto us, I think its maybe because they are duty bound to follow it, whether they want to or not in a lot of cases, they don't like seeing us having fun, I think the whole thing is steeped in jealousy and feeling alienated.
I agree that there may be an element of trying to force their way of life onto us, I think its maybe because they are duty bound to follow it, whether they want to or not in a lot of cases, they don't like seeing us having fun, I think the whole thing is steeped in jealousy and feeling alienated.
)I totally agree with you actually.
27 December 2010, 01:57 PM
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The problem is that though there would have been idiots like these regardless, the fact that we have invaded two Muslim countries just enhances their cause. Where there would have been one fanatic there is now ten.
Thanks Blair and Labour, this is the legacy you have left us with......
Thanks Blair and Labour, this is the legacy you have left us with......
27 December 2010, 06:14 PM
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I'm not a fan of these type of threads, but agree with your comments to a point.
I don't think they are jealous etc, I think they are very weak minded and easily led by the nose by someone much higher up in their small world, who is egging them on to destroy all around them.
They are to be pitied, to be honest
I don't think they are jealous etc, I think they are very weak minded and easily led by the nose by someone much higher up in their small world, who is egging them on to destroy all around them.
They are to be pitied, to be honest
27 December 2010, 06:22 PM
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Lack of education (easier to brainwash)!! thus "contemplation" takes about 5 seconds. (Dont quote that doctor bloke who tried blowin up one of the Scotch airports,He's you-neek,a one -off!!
27 December 2010, 06:23 PM
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The problem is that though there would have been idiots like these regardless, the fact that we have invaded two Muslim countries just enhances their cause. Where there would have been one fanatic there is now ten.
Thanks Blair and Labour, this is the legacy you have left us with......
Thanks Blair and Labour, this is the legacy you have left us with......
It was planned whilst Clinton was in office.
The basic aim and cause of the Jihadists has nothing to do with Iraq and Afghanistan...they are just incidental. What you hear is just propaganda....if it's not Iraq, it's Israel, Burka bans, Danish cartoons....even go back to the Crusades, Moor defeat in Spain etc....anything to paint a narrative of victimhood.
27 December 2010, 06:33 PM
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But 9/11 took place before Iraq and Afghanistan.
It was planned whilst Clinton was in office.
The basic aim and cause of the Jihadists has nothing to do with Iraq and Afghanistan...they are just incidental. What you hear is just propaganda....if it's not Iraq, it's Israel, Burka bans, Danish cartoons....even go back to the Crusades, Moor defeat in Spain etc....anything to paint a narrative of victimhood.
It was planned whilst Clinton was in office.
The basic aim and cause of the Jihadists has nothing to do with Iraq and Afghanistan...they are just incidental. What you hear is just propaganda....if it's not Iraq, it's Israel, Burka bans, Danish cartoons....even go back to the Crusades, Moor defeat in Spain etc....anything to paint a narrative of victimhood.
Yes, there is still manipulation at work, but at the same time the "population" which has the real strength (THERE ARE MORE OF THEM..ETC) HAS sympathy/Empathy with the terrorists.
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Of the 7/7 bombers Mohammad Sidique Khan had attended Leeds Met and worked as a 'learning mentor' at a Primary School, Shehzad Tanweer attended Leeds Met, Hasib Mir Hussain got a GNVQ and an AVCE.
Bilal Abdullah (2007 car bombings) was a Doctor, Kafeel Ahmed was studying for a Phd.
Saajid Badat (planned a shoe bombing) went to a good Grammer school and had attended collage to be an optometrist.
27 December 2010, 06:48 PM
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FFS do we have to do this whole Muslims want to take over the world and they are all jihadists thing again!!! Enough is enough!! You are obsessed!!!!!
Mods please can we create an anti-Muslim sticky thread and dump any of these sort of things in it so we only have one thread with this crap.
Mods please can we create an anti-Muslim sticky thread and dump any of these sort of things in it so we only have one thread with this crap.
27 December 2010, 06:50 PM
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Do you think the middle east (oil producing countries)have been treated fairly by the West??? If the West insisted on Fair treatment of said countries YOU would be paying £15 a litre for petrol.AS it happens the only time the west has got (violently) involved is when Anti-western governments are in charge.In other words when the oil supply is threatned.
Yes, there is still manipulation at work, but at the same time the "population" which has the real strength (THERE ARE MORE OF THEM..ETC) HAS sympathy/Empathy with the terrorists.
Yes, there is still manipulation at work, but at the same time the "population" which has the real strength (THERE ARE MORE OF THEM..ETC) HAS sympathy/Empathy with the terrorists.
America provides the security for said countries to trade and prosper. Local elites get paid for the oil.
***** and Communists both stole and plundered.
America as hegemon is even more fair that the British. We used the East India Company to rule India don't forget...a law unto themselves until the mutiny.
When Islam was a regional hegamon it insisted the conquered converted!
27 December 2010, 06:52 PM
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FFS do we have to do this whole Muslims want to take over the world and they are all jihadists thing again!!! Enough is enough!! You are obsessed!!!!!
Mods please can we create an anti-Muslim sticky thread and dump any of these sort of things in it so we only have one thread with this crap.
Mods please can we create an anti-Muslim sticky thread and dump any of these sort of things in it so we only have one thread with this crap.
Have you found a reason why the taxi Driver is disaffected yet?
27 December 2010, 06:56 PM
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FFS do we have to do this whole Muslims want to take over the world and they are all jihadists thing again!!! Enough is enough!! You are obsessed!!!!!
Mods please can we create an anti-Muslim sticky thread and dump any of these sort of things in it so we only have one thread with this crap.
Mods please can we create an anti-Muslim sticky thread and dump any of these sort of things in it so we only have one thread with this crap.
Freedom of speech etc....
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Fair? By what measure and compared to what?
America provides the security for said countries to trade and prosper. Local elites get paid for the oil.
YOU have hit the nail on the head..da, I quote " THE LOCAL ELITES GET PAID FOR THE OIL", BUT the LOCAL population gets $2 a month, when they start to object (who would'nt object to being paid next to nothing ??) the Americans (The West) responded, for the promise of CHEAP oil, with full milita.. sorry security ,which is used to ruthlessly suppress ALL opposition.
***** and Communists both stole and plundered.
Yes they did, but that dunt make it right!
America as hegemon is even more fair that the British. We used the East India Company to rule India don't forget...a law unto themselves until the mutiny.
Yes I agree,as above.
When Islam was a regional hegamon it insisted the conquered converted!
Er, not sure bout dat,pretty sure there was leniency towards "troops" captured during the crusades, thatwuzsaidinwannadarobinhoodfilims!afink!
America provides the security for said countries to trade and prosper. Local elites get paid for the oil.
YOU have hit the nail on the head..da, I quote " THE LOCAL ELITES GET PAID FOR THE OIL", BUT the LOCAL population gets $2 a month, when they start to object (who would'nt object to being paid next to nothing ??) the Americans (The West) responded, for the promise of CHEAP oil, with full milita.. sorry security ,which is used to ruthlessly suppress ALL opposition.
***** and Communists both stole and plundered.
Yes they did, but that dunt make it right!
America as hegemon is even more fair that the British. We used the East India Company to rule India don't forget...a law unto themselves until the mutiny.
Yes I agree,as above.
When Islam was a regional hegamon it insisted the conquered converted!
Er, not sure bout dat,pretty sure there was leniency towards "troops" captured during the crusades, thatwuzsaidinwannadarobinhoodfilims!afink!