Snazy

Two less on the street!

Speedy recovery to them both, and life in prison for the youths I say!

Stabbed and slashed....... Over a bus pass!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12003691

dpb

Well he may have been psychotic of course , why were they searching people for tickets at a bus stop

Snazy

Occured during a stop and search apparently.
Cop and a pcso both injured. Cop slashed in the throat but will be ok, pcso received multiple injuries.

The safer transport program has been running for some time now.
He was apparently recognised as a wanted person which is when it kicked off.

The Zohan

Maybe (and i am just spit-balling here) they where checking to see who had tickets and where travelling legally or not

jasey

Didn't realise you needed a ticket to stand at a bus stop.

When did that come in - was it the same time it was made illegal to say "rubbish" at the Labour party conference

SRSport

Are you saying it is great news that
"A Pc has been slashed in the neck and his injuries are said to be life-threatening"
or not?

Snazy

I believe the safer transport scheme was brought in about 2-3 years ago now. Giving the police powers to challenge people travelling and wishing to travel on public transport.

Apparently during the said stop and search, he was recognised as a wanted person.


No, I'm being sarcastic, hence the title of the thread. Thought all the people that whine about the police might get some pleasure from knowing 2 have been hurt.

As I went on to say, speed recovery to them both, and hope the person who did it lands life.

David Lock

Hope officers recover fully.

It wasn't "youths" but a 30 year old man.

I don't understand the need to have a ticket at a bus stop either - what's that all about?

dl

The Zohan

Yup i stand at bus stops all the time for the sheer hell of it, everybody does...don't they?!?

Ok to expand a little. In London they run the oyster travel card system which allows people to travel using the card to pay for journeys in and around London. The Oyster card is loaded with credit and debited when used.
Funnily enough there are some people who steal the cards (sometimes using force/violence) or get them fraudulently, also use ID theft to get them along with credit cards etc - they also can claim to be studing/under sixteen and or at school to get free/subsidised travel that they may not e entitled to. I do know this as a fact having worked for TFL on the CS side for a while

think about it a little it is not a huge a stretch to imagine the cops checking the (oyster travel) cards are with the rightful owners and valid - checking tickets in effect.

Is that simple enough for you?Do you feel it in some bizarre way justified for someone to attack cops with a knife just because the cops are checking tickets?

alcazar

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Cops checking tickets? Whatever next? They'll be tax gathering next.........oh...........wait.......

Does TFL not have recognised ticket collectors/checkers, then?

I'm not condoning violence, but honestly, if cops have enough time to check travel tickets, they must have done a bloody good job clearing up all the robberies, rapes, murders, burgalries etc etc that we actually PAY THEM TO SORT OUT

Or maybe, just maybe, it's more of the "any crime so long as it effects our clear-up rate" thinking?

Terminator X

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Wouldn't wish that on anyone incl the Fuzz

TX.

The Zohan

Imagine a bit like car tax avoiders/illegal motorists/banned drivers it often picks up/detects criminals and those in breach of bail conditions etc.

If you go into London and use public transport you will see the oyster card readers fitted in stations and on buses - the card is swiped across it to allow free and easy movement though stations etc. One benefit is it speeds up people busing and debusing from public transport.

Would you rather have people going on buses 'tooled up' and ready to use a knife - i would rather the police checked the odd pass and picked up scumbags tbh
Let's say for example someone beats the cr@p out of you or a family member takes their wallet and uses their oyster card to travel around - then in a check the Police pick them up and arrest them - one more crime solved surely - what is the problem with that???

alcazar

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No problem, Paul.

But wouldn't it be nice if the police put even a FRACTION of the effort they put into easy stuff like this, into burglaries, robberies, assaults etc?

Crime number, anyone?

And as for chasing motorists about because they are easy prey............

The Zohan

I hate scumbags full stop and yes i would like to see as many as possible caught and banged up away from decent normal people.

The checking of these cards can and indeed does pick up offenders and criminals - i can say that hand on heart having been on the phone to the police many times when working with TFL.

It helps pick up robbers burglars and thugs!

djandyg

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Love the way you stereo type them as youths, the man arrested is 30.

The Zohan

The important thing is they got him

Jamie

No comment

Cheers

Jean Charles de Menezes

Wurzel

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I thought you bought your ticket when you got on the bus, didn't think you needed a ticket to stand and wait for one but things must have changed in the UK since I left.

Wurzel

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I don't have an oyster card or a bus pass so does that mean I will get arrested for not having a ticket whilst standing at a bus stop?

Trout

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Help me a little here.

How does a Policeman check that they are the rightful owner of the Oyster card in their possession?

Trout

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I travel in and around London most weekdays and have done for years. I have NEVER seen a group of policemen/PCSOs checking tickets/Oyster cards. The only time I have seen the Police involved in tickets is when someone has jumped the barriers and the Transport Police or ticket inspectors have got them involved.

I have seen them in pairs riding tubes and buses - but never in numbers and never checking tickets.

The story does not add up.

DCI Gene Hunt

This is all bollox, obviously only half a story....

Trout

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Why don't you ask down the station and let us in on the real story behind this

Snazy

Lol I posted the link about 3 mins after it appeared on the news at which time the story was being reported as a youth attacking 2 officers. Hope that explains my "error"
Why the hell would I just guess it was youths lol

Snazy

The only time I have seen large groups of officers inc pcso's and btp is when they are doing revenue jobs to stop fare evasion, so I agree there.
I know they travel on buses and tubes, as well as hang about at known problem spots.

The safer transport thing was brought in by Boris, and was to raise the presence of police on public transport.
But from the sounds of this, for whatever reason he was stopped by a bus stop he was identified and they attempted to arrest him.

Snazy

Confirmed as a revenue collection operation.
Man arrested was wanted for a recall to prison.

He left the bus when they boarded, they followed him after recognising him, and the stabbing started when they confronted him.

Hope that clears things up a little

markjmd

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Whatever the other half of this story, it's hard to imagine what a mere PCSO could possibly do to warrant being stabbed multiple times in the neck, particularly at 3pm on a busy street with plenty of potential witnesses around.

The 'more to this than meets the eye brigade' posting in this thread should hang their heads in shame for hinting at the police being somehow to blame here.

jasey

I figured the police may have more important things to do rather than feeling the collars of fare dodgers.

Still I guess each one caught is a another serious crime solved .

The Police have become a bunch of pen pushers while your Granny & mine sit in their houses $hitting themselves.

Of course there is no justification for people attacking the Police - I guess in trying to solve petty crime with a huge operation they have a least rooted out one **** !

Snazy

Just before the fact brigade get on your case.... The pcso was stabbed multiple times, while struggling with the guy, the wounds were described as defensive, the actual cop was slashed in the neck/throat.

Agree fully though, that once again it's a shame to see that the police are almost being blamed for this because of the nature of their operation.
I guess evading arrest is worth getting striped up for something this serious.
I wonder what the charge he goes up for will be, probably nothing serious as usual.

Strange but true, it's silly operations like this that route out a huge number of wanted people, and generates a lot of intelligence for the police. ANPR is the other "pointless" one that is effective.
In the USA roadside stops account for a huge number of felony arrests.
So what looks dumb and infuriates people, is actually quite effective.

And like you say another dick off the streets, at least til he is granted bail tomorrow morning by an unqualified, socially detached magistrate.

Terminator X

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^^ Doubtless would go down better wth Joe Public if the Fuzz treated them with "respect" in the first instance ... in my experience we get treated like crims

TX.