J4CKO

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Hadn't realise how bad it was getting, a quarter of Greater Manchester Police, gone,

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...s=yes#comments

Bloody hell, that could get scary, already only just stemming the tide of crime in Manchester, might be like letting the flood gates open, surely this could be a false economy ?

f1_fan

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Absolutely, has to be one of the most shortsighted things they have done so far. More great ideas on paper and if you only look at one dimension of course.

Things like this and the child benefit mess just go to show they are clueless... not much of a surpise really... they are politicians!!

Tidgy

did you expect anything less from camerons shower? lol

ALi-B

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Its all speculative bollocks; confimed by the following

They don't know what is going to be cut and where yet until next month. So saying 3000 jobs will go is just police unions rallying up more Labour support.

jjones

and let's not forget the OP used to be a police employee

mart360

lol prehaps it will make them go back to policing, as opposed to pen pushing,and spending money on speed cams & helicopters et al!!!

Mart

Hawkwind

Maybe just maybe if labour hadnt been sprinkling money about like confetti then we wouldnt be in this mess? Worrying thing is so many people would have voted them in again ?

where does the borrowing end? what happens when theres no more to borrow?

Time to sort out the pickle labour have left us in.

f1_fan

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Even if what you say were the whole story (and it isn't) it is irrelevant now as we are where we are.

Labout are gone and the government 'you' voted for has to decide how to get us out of the mess and stick to their guns. There are several ways they can do this, but a few cuts here and a few cuts there isn't going to be enough particularly if they cave in to public pressure every time they announce something or if they don't think something through with a little common sense (not a strong point of any government sadly) before they announce it.

Even so having said all that the OP's point about Manchester is a valid one and cutting police in cities such as these is only going to lead to one thing... a lot more crime and the associated costs of that to the economy as a whole.

alcazar

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Manchester? The North? Pah.............so long as London and the South East are OK, who cares................?

Leslie

It was the other shower of course which got us into the present parlous financial state of course!

It is a big worry J4CKO and I think it may mean further troubles from the criminal fraternity.

It is interesting that we see so few police on the beat these days, it is very rare to see one at all around here and has been like that for a long time, despite the extra numbers which we have been told about. I remember in previous times when there were far fewer coppers that you would always see one on duty somewhere.

I think the policy of setting targets for employees to achieve, which I believe to be an admission of failure in controlling a workforce, and the immense increase in the paperwork which they have to produce has been extremely counter productive and has also changed the attitude of the police to the job in an unfortunate manner.

It is revealing that people are reluctant to contact the police for a problem these days since it is rare to be able to get a response from them anyway unless it is far too late to do anything about the troubles concerned.

I think it is very important to address these problems before it all falls apart.

Les

tony de wonderful

The police are useless for day-to-day crime anyway. I'd hope for most of the cuts to be in Traffic TBH. Who cares if people do 55 in a 50 zone or whatever?

tony de wonderful

...and EVO's and Imprezas for Traffic.

Let 'em drive 10 y/o Fiesta Diesels!

The Zohan

+1

fatscoobfella1

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I think the real cuts should come in local council employees..

There is half a dozed people for every job,its a disgrace..

As for police,i cant even ever remember seeing one on foot or in a car in the 5 years or so i have lived in our village..
Luckily we have very little crime,so that could be why...But IMHO a total restructure of the police force is needed.
I have 5 friends that are police officers and all of them are very disillusioned with the job at the moment.Im not sure if there is something happening within the force lately as its always very hush hush..

f1_fan

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So I am getting confused now.

The Scoobynet Massive is happy with the new government who got elected saying they were going to make cuts but they are actually increasing spending and any mention of cuts is just union propaganda and a bad thing even though cuts were a good thing in the manifesto and spending increasing is now a good thing except when it was Labour it was a bad thing - is that right?

tarmac terror

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I wouldn't mind betting that these cuts will cost more in the long run. There is an obsession with reducing the size of he public sector regardless of impact. I have seen this time after time with Government IT departments where they get rid of all the internal expertise, outsource the services to a contractor who couldn't give a toss about the service, to them it is all about the profit and satisfying the shareholders. That said I have seen some government IT bods who barely know where the power button is on a PC, let alone having any technical specialism to speak of.

The ratio of support staff to operational officers seems somewhat high in Manchester. Without knowing anything about their internal structures I reckon this could be cut in half without impact. Are PCSO's deemed to be support staff or are they operational?

ALi-B

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No;

I'm not massive

Leslie

The quango's could do with a big hit. They are very expensive jobs for the boys and seem to be there to avoid those in government having to make too many decisions themselves.

They multiplied immensely under the last lot of plonkers and it is time they had the skids under them.

Les

ALi-B

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Some are earmarked to have the plug pulled (or partially pulled, at least); heres a few cherry pickings:

Dept of Food and Rural affairs (Meh! Sorry, must be the townie in me )
Dept for culture media and sport (with newcorp/sky's grip on media+sport; what's the point? )
National Museums and Galleries service (pfft! Since Labour- dumbed-down our local museums, it been pointless anyway)
Competition Commission (wut?)
Design Council (are they responsible for the eyesores placed in the middle of roundabouts?)
The Film Industry Training Board (Go to Hollywood or get a proper job This industry does not need public funding ).
The Tote Board (wut-the-fuh? )

alcazar

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The Labour party promised to get rid of most Quangos, then increased them by 300%

The Tories DO need to get ruthless with them. Some HAVE already gone, mind........

And as for police, Humberside are already talking cuts to frontline police, but the Humberside "safety" camera partnership, WILL remain and will NOT suffer ANY cuts

For Humberside, read DUMBerside

alcazar

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The Labour party promised to get rid of most Quangos, then increased them by 300%

The Tories DO need to get ruthless with them. Some HAVE already gone, mind........

And as for police, Humberside are already talking cuts to frontline police, but the Humberside "safety" camera partnership, WILL remain and will NOT suffer ANY cuts

For Humberside, read DUMBerside

f1_fan

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So the cuts to the police ARE real then?

This is a very confusing thread

ALi-B

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Is the Police itself a Quango even though it incorperates its own Qangos?

(National Police Improvement Agency, Police Advisory Board, Police Negotiating Board and Police Arbitration Tribual etc.)

Dingdongler

Typical Labour/Union lies. There is no evidence to say that 25% of uniformed officers will be lost

DCI Gene Hunt

Positioning, that's all this is.....

dunx

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The "media" stated that the interest due on Labour's fabulous efforts will amount to £48 Billion pounds next year...

dunx

P.S. Why do we need to defend ourselves when we have a nuclear deterrent ?

JonMc

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The nuclear deterrent will only work in state-on-state scenarios were the threat can clear be identified, in the counter-terrorism scenario we currently face we need a different strategy that involves the armed forces, security services and police forces in a combined effort to identify and counter the threat.

And, ultimately, a deterrent is what it is, not an offensive weapon unless you wish to inflict mass casualties, and with media wars that's not always acceptable when broadcast to the living room of millions.