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Old 09 October 2010, 12:13 PM
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It has just been announced that the ******* terrorists who captured The female rescue worker Linda Norgrove in Afghanistan two weeks ago have now killed her! What big men they are.

I wonder why it took the authorities two weeks to set up a rescue mission to save her! If it had been a politician they would have set off the next day.

I still have not forgotted the husband and wife captured by those pirates either. No word of them for a long time now.

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Old 09 October 2010, 12:18 PM
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She went at her own risk same as that couple.
Old 09 October 2010, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
She went at her own risk same as that couple.
Oh well that's OK then.

She was an aid worker, no other reason for her being there than to help people, maybe even people who had sympathies with the very terrorists who ended up killing her.

Why take someone like that hostage? And why kill them? Senseless, barbaric and cowardly.
Old 09 October 2010, 12:24 PM
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She was an aid worker. You know , someone who helps other people in their hour of need. She didn't deserve to die did she.

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Old 09 October 2010, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Oh well that's OK then.

She was an aid worker, no other reason for her being there than to help people, maybe even people who had sympathies with the very terrorists who ended up killing her.

Why take someone like that hostage? And why kill them? Senseless, barbaric and cowardly.
I agree but that is the sort of scum the Taliban and Islamists are.

If you are a lefty do-gooder it doesn't matter, they will still kidnap or kill you...it's arrogant to think just because you are there to 'help' that you are entitled to safely.
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the latest rambo movie showed it properly, don't think you can change the world and butt your nose in and expect to be fine, they will kidnap and kill you if they have the chance. now i don't condone the actions of the terrorists but the lady knew what danger she was in just like any person who does a dangerous sport, some get away with others don't.

respects to her family and friends.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
She went at her own risk same as that couple.
There are times when you really seem to abandon any kind of sensible thinking!

She was a rescue worker, let me repeat that. She had been out there for some years doing nothing but good and caring for Afghans with no thought of personal profit.

There are people in this world who are unselfish enough to do things like that. They deserve utmost praise and full respect for their actions.

How can you come up with such an obvious and useless remark like that? What are you trying to prove?

You could do with a comprehensive review of your set of values.

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Les on the Scottish news at lunch time it was reported that she was killed during the rescue attempt? It wasnt clear if it was by the rescue force or by her captors.

Its a terrible thing to happen to somebody that was only out there to help.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
There are times when you really seem to abandon any kind of sensible thinking!

She was a rescue worker, let me repeat that. She had been out there for some years doing nothing but good and caring for Afghans with no thought of personal profit.

There are people in this world who are unselfish enough to do things like that. They deserve utmost praise and full respect for their actions.

How can you come up with such an obvious and useless remark like that? What are you trying to prove?

You could do with a comprehensive review of your set of values.

Les
The problem is, and no matter how noble and impressive it is for someone to put themselves in that enviroment just to help others, her actions put her in touch with a group of people who view non-believers as sub-human.

Sadly she could have had saved the lives of hundreds and I'm sure there are still those over there who still viewed her as merely someone to sacrifice in the name of religion
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I see the rescue was carried out by American special forces and afghan soldiers (half of who are pot heads). Cant we afford to send our own to do the job anymore



Condolences to her family
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Originally Posted by g7prs
Les on the Scottish news at lunch time it was reported that she was killed during the rescue attempt? It wasnt clear if it was by the rescue force or by her captors.

Its a terrible thing to happen to somebody that was only out there to help.

I was speaking about this earlier to a friend who was in Afghanistan training the Afghan army. He said he would not trust them to rescue a kitten from a tree. 75% of them are stoned on hashish.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
There are times when you really seem to abandon any kind of sensible thinking!

She was a rescue worker, let me repeat that. She had been out there for some years doing nothing but good and caring for Afghans with no thought of personal profit.

There are people in this world who are unselfish enough to do things like that. They deserve utmost praise and full respect for their actions.

How can you come up with such an obvious and useless remark like that? What are you trying to prove?

You could do with a comprehensive review of your set of values.

Les
I'm just being a realist. Besides soldiers had to risk there lives to save her, is that right?

No good deed goes unpunished as they say.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I'm just being a realist. Besides soldiers had to risk there lives to save her, is that right?

No good deed goes unpunished as they say.
Is that the same soldiers who signed up to fight wars then??
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Originally Posted by Chip
Is that the same soldiers who signed up to fight wars then??
Yep not to rescue civilians who put themselves in harms way deliberately.
Old 09 October 2010, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I'm just being a realist. Besides soldiers had to risk there lives to save her, is that right?

No good deed goes unpunished as they say.
Flipside.

No soldiers there, then no need for her to be there helping in the first place.
Old 09 October 2010, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by azz250478
Flipside.

No soldiers there, then no need for her to be there helping in the first place.
Really? Afghanistan was some sort of utopia under the Taliban?
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Really? Afghanistan was some sort of utopia under the Taliban?
Regardless of what the country was/is like, people feel they need to help these nations out. Linda Norgrove at the time she was kidnapped supervised reconstruction programmes funded by the US government.

So regardless of what you think, if the Us goverment (amongst others) had not been there in the first place they would not be carrying out reconstruction programmes therefore she wouldn't have been kidnapped.
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The report I read said the captors through a grenade into the room where she was being held when the recsue attempt was being made.

I'm not sure I'd believe any reports this government made. Botched recsue attempt? All hostiles killed? Friendly fire?

Let's cover it up and say they killed her.

Conspiracy theory maybe, but would you put it past them?
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Originally Posted by azz250478
Regardless of what the country was/is like, people feel they need to help these nations out. Linda Norgrove at the time she was kidnapped supervised reconstruction programmes funded by the US government.

So regardless of what you think, if the Us goverment (amongst others) had not been there in the first place they would not be carrying out reconstruction programmes therefore she wouldn't have been kidnapped.
Did she have a choice to be there or not?
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Originally Posted by azz250478
So regardless of what you think, if the Us goverment (amongst others) had not been there in the first place they would not be carrying out reconstruction programmes therefore she wouldn't have been kidnapped.
If President Bush had never been born ...

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Old 10 October 2010, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by g7prs
Les on the Scottish news at lunch time it was reported that she was killed during the rescue attempt? It wasnt clear if it was by the rescue force or by her captors.

Its a terrible thing to happen to somebody that was only out there to help.
It has been stated that she was killed by her captors when they realised they were being attacked. She was alive when they reached her but died of her wounds.

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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Did she have a choice to be there or not?
You are saying then that there is no place for anyone to go and help others when there is danger involved.

How would you describe the efforts of the SOE who entered France in order to support the French Resistance and who knew the intense danger they were in? Are you not prepared to give people credit for their bravery under such conditions?

You appear to have a strange set of values to say the least!

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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
She went at her own risk same as that couple.
What a silly thing to say.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Did she have a choice to be there or not?
Of course she did, just like the person/people that made the choice to attempt a rescue had a choice. They accepted the risk involved just like she did. Soldiers know the risks they potentionally face when joining the armed forces, more so these days.

Of course she shouldn't have been there, because in an ideal world nobody should be there under the curcumstances. Every place would be a peace loving and friendly country.

You see everything too black and white, and argue for the sake of it IMO.
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He's just trying to wind people up, which is fine if you're talking about a new phone or where to go on holiday, but someones life? Do us a favour Tony.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Did she have a choice to be there or not?
Yes, in the same way that all those who volunteered to fight in WW1 did. The reason they did that was because they had the loyalty and decency to realise that their country was being attacked and they felt they had a duty to defend it. They knew of course that their lives were at risk.

Does your attitude of "reality" which generates your feeling towards that girl's willingness to help out those Afghans as apparently of little worth and that she deserves no admiration for what she was doing, also treat those volunteers' selfless act in the same way?

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Cameron's just announced that a US grenade, used in the rescue attempt, was the likely cause of death. Utterly tragic.
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Which begs the question why wasn't the uk special forces used.
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I knew it wold be another complete f**k up.

Turns out Cameron nor anyone else thought to inform the family a rescue attempt was to be made.. That is unforgiveable, but will no doubt be brushed under the carpet.

It's the usual mess that only UK politicians and US forces can make.
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Sky News is reporting the SAS were there but in an advisory role.

They had their opinion on how to do it and the Americans had their own idea.

And look what happened.



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