God made the World!!
16 September 2010, 10:56 PM
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God made the World!!
Bugger me! My son has been at school a whole eight days and came home and said,
- God made the World
- Oh, did he now.
- Yes.
- How do you know?
- We were told at school.
- Yes, darling, some people do believe that God made the world.
- I believe God made the world!
I am staggered. We have always spoken about religious things in context - Christmas celebrates Jesus. A special man who lived a long time ago. We talk about Diwali and other faith celebrations to. But we are a long distant road from being religious.
But at four, eight days into school, to be told that God made the World seems a bit much to me. Far too young to be indoctrinated by my reckoning!
- God made the World
- Oh, did he now.
- Yes.
- How do you know?
- We were told at school.
- Yes, darling, some people do believe that God made the world.
- I believe God made the world!
I am staggered. We have always spoken about religious things in context - Christmas celebrates Jesus. A special man who lived a long time ago. We talk about Diwali and other faith celebrations to. But we are a long distant road from being religious.
But at four, eight days into school, to be told that God made the World seems a bit much to me. Far too young to be indoctrinated by my reckoning!
16 September 2010, 10:58 PM
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If my son came home from skule and told me that... by God he get a good hiding.
I'd nail him to a cross in the garden - that'll learn him not to diss the Prof!
Or probably not.
I'd nail him to a cross in the garden - that'll learn him not to diss the Prof!
Or probably not.
17 September 2010, 12:28 AM
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My Stepdaughter went to a catholic school (her late Father was a left-footer), we used to get complaints from the RI department about her at every parents evening 
Her refusal to be indoctrinated quietly was a continual sore point with them for her entire time there
Her refusal to be indoctrinated quietly was a continual sore point with them for her entire time there
17 September 2010, 12:34 AM
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Never met your Stepdaughter I am sure I would like her sounds like my Girls
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17 September 2010, 12:37 AM
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Don't see the problem in a child being taught at school that God created the World. We live in a christian society and I believe this is one of the many beliefs christianity holds.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
17 September 2010, 12:44 AM
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Don't see the problem in a child being taught at school that God created the World. We live in a christian society and I believe this is one of the many beliefs christianity holds.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
17 September 2010, 12:47 AM
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Don't see the problem in a child being taught at school that God created the World. We live in a christian society and I believe this is one of the many beliefs christianity holds.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
17 September 2010, 12:57 AM
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Don't see the problem in a child being taught at school that God created the World. We live in a christian society and I believe this is one of the many beliefs christianity holds.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
I'm non-religous but hope that my children learn about God/Jesus and other bearded people as it did me no harm and I've been able to make my own decisions on whether or not to believe the good book. Either which way, children are told moral stories from the Bible and thats something that is in big decline in this country.
17 September 2010, 01:06 AM
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A lie is a lie at the end of the day...
17 September 2010, 01:10 AM
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Leave him to make his own decisions. At this point in his life, god is the easiest explanation for him to comprehend. When he gets older and studies science, he'll be able to make his own decision again.
Personally I am more worried about the constant eco-fascism preached to kids than the religious stuff.
Personally I am more worried about the constant eco-fascism preached to kids than the religious stuff.
17 September 2010, 01:15 AM
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Leave him to make his own decisions. At this point in his life, god is the easiest explanation for him to comprehend. When he gets older and studies science, he'll be able to make his own decision again.
Personally I am more worried about the constant eco-fascism preached to kids than the religious stuff.
Personally I am more worried about the constant eco-fascism preached to kids than the religious stuff.
17 September 2010, 01:28 AM
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A child can be brought up to have morals and values without it having to come in the form of religious teachings.
I think the point MJW was making was don't be too concerned about the 'how the world was created' arguement now, let him weigh up the options so to speak when he is older and probably more able to make an informed decision.
17 September 2010, 01:31 AM
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So you don't think when kids are older they should be free to choose whether or not they follow religion? Or that religion is the only form of moral guide?
A child can be brought up to have morals and values without it having to come in the form of religious teachings.
I think the point MJW was making was don't be too concerned about the 'how the world was created' arguement now, let him weigh up the options so to speak when he is older and probably more able to make an informed decision.
A child can be brought up to have morals and values without it having to come in the form of religious teachings.
I think the point MJW was making was don't be too concerned about the 'how the world was created' arguement now, let him weigh up the options so to speak when he is older and probably more able to make an informed decision.
Do you make sure your kids are not exposed to fairly stories or fables etc. They are not rational/empirical explanations of the world.
17 September 2010, 01:38 AM
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Morality is gained from observation and mimicking of peers and parents rather than school, kids aren't daft - they learn where the lines are & stuff they can get away with. They only go feral if parents let them, not schools.
17 September 2010, 04:30 AM
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Is your morality just based upon 'copying' or does it have a deeper basis?
Do you do 'just what you can get away with'?
It's nihilistic.
Besides you don't think kids can learn values and lessons from stories ie fairy stories etc, they are rich with meaning, just as say the Bible is. If all lessons could be learned from experience we would have no need as a species for books and language.
Also school is there to socialize kids, to perpetuate democracy.
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17 September 2010, 07:44 AM
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Or he could even be taught that religions can give us good guidance. Buddhism is a brilliant philosophy for example.
But God made the World - eight days into school - natch!
17 September 2010, 08:25 AM
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We are only able to see the world in a Judeo-Christian way...even science and aethism is an offshoot of that.
17 September 2010, 08:37 AM
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Well I can only say you have a very narrow view of westerners! At the end of the day you do not need religion to teach children right from wrong, that is the parent's job.
17 September 2010, 08:40 AM
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17 September 2010, 08:48 AM
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So I presume that as you can propose this hypothesis that you see yourself as an exceptional Westerner who is spiritually above other Westerners so you are able to provide us with insights in comparative Theology?
17 September 2010, 09:23 AM
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I thought that children were taught religious values, not one specific religion.
My children are not a member of ANY religious group, and I don't expect them to be made to feel Christianity or any religion is a true or real at 4 years of age.
My children or any child does not need religion as a basis of learning or well being, good moral values and basic judgement skills will allow them to grow, learn and understand as they go along.
My children are not a member of ANY religious group, and I don't expect them to be made to feel Christianity or any religion is a true or real at 4 years of age.
My children or any child does not need religion as a basis of learning or well being, good moral values and basic judgement skills will allow them to grow, learn and understand as they go along.